Wednesday, January 20, 2010

5.15 Follow the Leader

Follow along! The episode guide for “Follow the Leader” is in Finding Lost — Season 5, pp. 212-223.

What an epic episode. I wish I could turn a Frozen Donkey Wheel and go back in time to the first time I saw this episode, because I’d love to enjoy how amazing this was the first time around (and the same could be said for the finale that will follow). You’ve probably noticed that recently I’ve dropped the “Things that Have New Meaning” bit because that was only in light of the finale, and since we’re almost there, the things in the ep stand for themselves.

Fun things I noticed:
• I LOOOOOVE that look that Kate gives to Jack when they ask if they’re with Daniel and he says, “Yes.” She looks at him as if to say ohmygodyoudumbassiamgoingtokillyoudead.
• Notice in the diary she inscribes that she will always love him, “no matter what,” as if those three words refer to her eventually killing him.
• I would love a deleted scene where we finally see Richard Alpert’s sense of humour, where he looks at Sun and says, “I watched them all die”… music swells… boom boom boom… “HAHA! Sorry, I’m TOTALLY kidding. Nah, they were in the Dharma Initiative and they’re fine. Why do you ask?”
• I love Ben in this episode. He’s just SO PISSED OFF.
• That scene between Jack and Kate never gets old. What incredible acting from both of them. Curse you, Emmys!!
• F U PHIL. I love that when Phil hits Juliet even Radzinsky looks at Phil like, “Dude. Harsh.”
• Sawyer says, “You’re a dead man, Phil.” Check out Sawyer! He can see the future!
• Chang interrogating Hurley is comedy GOLD.

MILES: Dr. Chang? What are you doing here?
DR. CHANG: I could ask you the same question.
HURLEY: But we asked you first.
DR. CHANG: Your friend Faraday said that you were from the future. I need to know if he was telling the truth.
HURLEY: Dude, that's ridiculous.
DR. CHANG: What year were you born? What year?
HURLEY: Uh... 1931?
DR. CHANG: You're 46?
HURLEY: Yeah. Yes, I am.
DR. CHANG: So you fought in the Korean War?
HURLEY: [Pauses] There's... no such thing.
DR. CHANG: Who's the President of the United States?
HURLEY: All right, dude, we're from the future. Sorry.

• I think I’ve figured out Richard’s secret: he’s a vampire. Instead of burning up in the sun, or… sparkling… he’s just fine. The island has healed him of his sun sensitivity.
• I know we’ve talked about this on here before, but I LOVE the way Michael Emerson says things. “How did you know hhhhhhhwhen to be here?” “Hhhhhhhwhat?!”
• Sayid’s face when Kate says they saved Ben is bloody priceless. He says in the quietest voice possible, “And why would you do that” because inside he’s screaming, “I WILL KILL YOU!!!!”
• I’ve always enjoyed Sayid asking Jack why they trust Eloise after everything she’s proven to them, because… well, he’s kinda got a point.
• We talked a lot about that woman in the Others’ camp who looks like Juliet. I think it’s a red herring, and I believe it might actually be Elizabeth Mitchell, who’s been aged to look older, but it’s not actually Juliet. Just something to make us go nuts.


Marebabe said...

Richard, talking about Jack, Kate and Hurley: “I remember meeting them very clearly, because... (extra long pause)... I watched them all die.” I not only recall the dumbfounded, speechless shock (and thrill) of hearing Richard say this incredible line, but I’ve tried to imagine what it was like in the writers’ room. There they were, laboring to craft this episode and shape the dialogue, and at the moment when they strung those words together, I’ll bet it felt like a high point in their careers. “That’s good. You should write it down.”

When John told Richard, “I have a purpose now”, I was reminded of Navin Johnson in “The Jerk”, yelling, “I’ve got a special purpose!” Is it possible I’ve seen too many movies?

Nikki, I got a giggle out of your list of the many disadvantages to a past in which Oceanic 815 didn’t crash, in that all the positive things that happened as a result of the crash would be negated: Charlie would be a heroin addict; Kate would be in jail; Rose would be dying of cancer; Nikki and Paulo would still be alive! You’re nothing if not consistent. ;)

I want one of those big, round tents with a lattice-work frame.

I noticed that, apart from being decorated with all those hieroglyphics, the Island tunnels are FAR nicer than they need to be. The support pillars are downright fancy, and in places I was reminded of The Lord of the Rings, when the Fellowship came to the Dwarf city of the Dwarrowdelf in the Mines of Moria. The time and labor and attention to decorative detail that went into these Island tunnels makes me wonder about the ancients on the Island as much as the giant Taweret statue does.

This reminds me... JW, if you’re listening, last Saturday I listened to the Podcast on Fictional Frontiers where you were interviewed about your book, “The Lord of the Films.” Good show, well done, and all that! But I wonder if you noticed the last 4 words that Sohaib said to you: “Take care, my friend.” My friend! Just like Caesar, the Man in Black, and the Shadow Seekers! It gave me a chill, and now I don’t think I trust this Sohaib character. ;)

humanebean said...

Actually, I thought that Radzinsky looked impressed when Phil hauled off and smacked Juliet. More like, "DUDE! You did NOT just do that!".

I agree with you fully about Matthew Fox's performance in this episode. Watching him come back to himself, switching from passive to active mode, you can feel the weight of his character's arc slip from his shoulders as he once again moves with a purpose to fix things.

Hmmmmm .... if Jack is successful ... then, as you mentioned in the book, NIkki and Paulo would still be alive.

Chalk up one vote against a do-over. ; ]

Verification word: "experm" what happens to bridesmaids' hair the first muggy day after the wedding.

Nic said...

You know how the point of blowing up the H bomb is to make the past 3 years to dissapear and to just land in LAX. Well wouldn't they be landing on Fiji? Cause they were so many miles off course because they lost radio signal and headed back to Fiji. . So if their plan worked they should land in Fiji right? Is my theory corrupt?

Nikki Stafford said...

Nic: You might be onto something here. Unless it could be argued that the reason they lost the radio signal in the first place was because of the electromagnetic pulse from the island. (We don't know how far-reaching it is.) In which case, if Jack drops the bomb he stops the pulse that would have pulled them off-course.

Anonymous said...

This episode, more than any other, had me wondering about Richard. Allegedly he's older than anyone else there, which should make him more knowledgeable, yet he always acts surprised by events and info that should be "old hat" to him. For instance, wouldn't he know the island better than anyone (save Jacob, possibly)? Yet he seemed completely clueless about time travel when "LaFleur" confronted him in Dharmaville. And why does Richard accept John as the leader; just because John says he is? John failed the "which of these belongs to you" test when he was a kid; so what happened between then and "now" (whenever now is) to change Richard's mind?

Also, if Richard is in fact immortal (or at least very long-lived) and therefore, presumably, healthy (and on an island which tends to heal people), why does he need reading glasses? Is he immune to all diseases *except* presbyopia? How long has he had to wear reading glasses - 5,000 years? When did he reach middle age?

Also there's the fact that, without consulting anyone, he chose to take Ben into the temple, angrily explaining that he doesn't answer to Charles & Eloise. Yet he kowtows to adult Ben and then to John without question or hesitation. How much power does Richard really have? And why is he not the leader?

We need some Richard answers!

Hunter said...

This is a minor nitpick I've been meaning to mention for awhile and
I figure this is as good a time as any. Eloise is pregnant during this episode with who I presume to be Daniel. That means at the earliest he's born in mid-late 1977. But when Desmond travels to 1996, Daniel is a professor and looks to be at least 30...but he's supposed to be 19. I know, it's a silly nitpick, but it had been bothering me. There's no way he was even close to being a professor at 19.

Marebabe said...

This doesn’t have anything to do with “Follow the Leader”, but I’ve just found a fascinating video that I think most Lost fans will love. It’s a YouTube video called “LOST: Flight 815 Crash in Real Time”. It’s done in the style of “24”, sometimes using split screens to show things happening simultaneously. It takes 10 minutes to watch, and I think it’s well worth the time.

There is one thing that I'd never quite put together before. We see Christian talking to Vincent, telling him to go wake up Jack, because "he has work to do". Well, this was only a minute or two after the crash. So if that was the Man in Black wearing his brand-new Christian suit, he must've been right there waiting, knowing precisely where that coffin would land, and jumped into Christian's deceased form before it could even bounce one time!

The Question Mark said...

Yeah, that whole "I watched them all die" thing bugged me at first, but like I said in an earlier blog post, my friend and I have come up with what we think is a solid theory concerning season 6 that I promise to elaborate on tomorrow during the Incident recap.

Was it just me, or was the CGI animation on the submarine not quite as laughable as it was when we saw it the first time? Also, I can't recall if it's this episode or the next, but the submarine operator pronounces the sub's name "guh-LAW-guh". I always thought it was "GA-luh-guh", like the video game it was presumably named after.

And today I realized something odd/crazy/idiotic: I know the question is most likely just a metaphor, but wouldn't "what lies in the shadow of the statue" change depending on the time of day? After all, shadows move in correspondence with the sun. So right now the answer could be "ile que nos omnes servabit", but in 2 hours it could be "a rock". LOL

Batcabbage said...

Every line Hurley utters makes me love his character more. "Uh... there's no such thing" had me in stitches.

On a slightly related note, the other night Batkitty and I watched a rerun of this movie about a bus that had to speed around a city, keeping its speed over fifty, and if its speed dropped, it would explode! I think it was called "The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down." Anyway, in the first scene with the elevator, who do I spy but our favourite douchebag Phil! He's the one that presses the button twice, and some other douche says 'Thanks for pressing that twice, [Phil's Name In The Movie]'. [Phil's Name In The Movie] says 'Shut up!', and I screamed at the tv 'F*** YOU, PHIL!' Batkitty nearly had a heart attack. F U Phil is a great game, and can be played with any of his roles! So fun. (Special thanks to Homer for the name of that movie.)

Nikki Stafford said...

studiorose: You know, I've often joked about the glasses thing on the island, but now I wonder if there is some real significance to it? Richard wears glasses, Ben wears glasses, Sawyer wears them to read. No one seems to wear them constantly, but many people wear them as reading glasses. We see Horace wearing them occasionally, as well as that doctor in Dharmaville who didn't know how to deliver Amy's baby.

The first couple of seasons always showed close-ups of eyes, and eyes are definitely important. I wonder if there's something more to Richard wearing them? Hm... If we ever see the statue from the front, will it be wearing bifocals?

Nikki Stafford said...

Hunter: I pointed out Daniel's age in the book as well, and the only reason I let it slide is because I imagine Daniel has had a difficult, stressful life that has caused him to age more rapidly than normal. I've met people who are 20 and look haggard, and usually it's because they have been worked to the bone because something was recognized in them at an early age (that or they're just really heavy drinkers). ;)

Question Mark: Your comment about the shadow moving and the next minute the answer is "A rock" made me laugh out loud. Hahaha!!

SonshineMusic said...

@marebabe: Nikki, I got a giggle out of your list of the many disadvantages to a past in which Oceanic 815 didn’t crash, in that all the positive things that happened as a result of the crash would be negated...Nikki and Paulo would still be alive

Aw, you beat me to the punch. I was totally giggling as I read that.

Re: Richard and Glasses - I've noticed that in many things where healing is supposed to be present, bad eyesight (minor bad eyesight, anyways) is overlooked. Just on Lost you've got Ben, Richard ans Sawyer who all need glasses, but cancer and paralysis are instantly cured. It's like a little far or near sightedness isn't important enough an illness to be healed. Or it could have some significance like Nikki said - but it is something that is overlooked in a lot of places, not just Lost.

@The Question Mark: ight now the answer could be "ile que nos omnes servabit", but in 2 hours it could be "a rock". LOL


@Nikki: I also got a good chuckle out of your question in FL when you said, "I'm kind of happy knowing that Radzinsky will eventually blow his head off with a shotgun. Does that make me a bad person?" Only if I'm a bad person for screaming, "Yes, DIE! DIE! DIE!" When Frogurt got nailed with the flaming arrow.

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Marebabe said...

@Question Mark: No, it is not just you. I also thought the CGI on the sub was not nearly so horrible on this rewatch. I now suspect that they tweaked it, made it look better for the Blu-ray and DVD release.

@Nikki: LOL about your prediction that we'll see bifocals on the giant statue when it's seen from the front. Wouldn't THAT send the Lost theorists into a tizzy?

JS said...

Widmore’s fave epithet is rrrat – Jack and Kate are hiding like rrrats, Ben creeps into his bedroom like a rrrat…

Though there are many leaders – Locke/Ben, Jack, Eloise/Widmore, Sawyer, clearly this episode is about Richard, the real leader. He is just pretending not to be - he is the influencer, which is a much more powerful position.

@studiorose – Yes, exactly. What does Richard know? He seemed to know that Widmore should recognize Daniel. And how does Richard know Jack, when did they meet before this? Yet, is constantly surprised people from the future know him. Wouldn’t he be used to this? Why doesn’t he know about the time travel? And where is he getting his endless supply of blue shirts? RICARDUS FLASHBACK PLZZZZ
@Nic/Nikki - I had the same question about the reset. Where would it start from – somewhere in the middle of the flight? From Jacob’s touch? No time travel? Then how did they do the reset?
OLD Question - What does Hugo’s nick name mean? What does Hurley refer to?

When Ben says “hhwhat plane?” re: the Nigerian drug plane, I realized – it is easy to forget how much has happened - that there are whole other populations and events on the island he doesn’t know about. I am used to thinking he knows everything.

The catch in Matthew Fox’s voice when he says this is our destiny gets me – Matthew Fox does do emo very well.

When Locke asks – “is this everybody?”, Richard says, yes, except for the people at the temple. Whatever happened to the group at the temple?

paleoblues said...

When Widmore brings Jack and Kate into camp he tells Alpert and Eloise he found them “crouched in the bushes like rats”. Daniel named his rat Eloise.

When Not-Locke walks into camp carrying the boar there is a woman who looks like she is hanging up clothes, but is actually hanging up squid.

I keep coming back to this, but why is Hurley still carrying around that guitar? If it was a proxy for Charlie when he got on the plane why would he still need it?

Jack swims all the way across the pool from the shallow end to the far side under the water. Why not swim across to the farside, then take a deep breath and go under into the tunnel?

Twilight Zone fans may like to check out “The Old Man In The Cave”. A group of survivors rely on instructions from the Old Man, whom they’ve never seen, that are relayed to them by their leader; until a stranger comes into town and suggests maybe they are all just being conned.

Susan said...

Nikki has already brought up my favorite scene in all of Lost (I think I have about 30 favorite scenes), but I just wanted to add a few comments. What makes Hurley's conversation with Chang so funny is that it brings up the very question he was concerned about so many episodes ago when he found out he had landed in 1977. Also there is the fact that he denies the existence of the Korean War while Jin is standing there. The looks on Jin's & Miles's faces are priceless.

We've been commenting from time to time on which side could be considered the good guys -- Dharma or the Others. But notice how both groups use violence so easily. I have no respect for someone who beats up a tied-up victim or someone who hits an unarmed person with a gun. That would probably be my biggest complaint against Lost. With the talent in writing that they have, their need to use so much violence bothers me.

Question Mark, I appreciated your question about the shadow of the statue, because I've seen so many crackpot theories on Lostpedia about that line and none of them take the shadow's movement into account.

Marebabe said...

@paleoblues: Of all your observations (and they're all good), the one I like best is the long underwater swim that didn't need to be quite so long. I don't know why I never caught that. Maybe it's because they stayed close on Jack, rather than showing a wide shot. It would've been much more obvious then. I know I was distracted by the thought that I always have whenever movie or TV characters are shown swimming when they don't know how long they'll have to be under. To take a deep breath and go under, knowing that this might end badly, that's a very scary thing to me. Takes a lot of courage.

paleoblues said...

@Marebabe: They actually had an overhead shot of Jack swimming underwater all the way across. Very impressive, but unnecessay.

SonshineMusic said...

@Marebabe, paleoblues: I'm one of those people that automatically holds their breath anytime someone on screen is doing it. (At least, I'm assuming I'm "one of those people". Otherwise I'm alone in this) anyway. Jack is under for a long time. Definitely something you would want to try to limit by as much as possible.

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Marebabe said...

@paleoblues: You're right. And I guessed correctly that my own fears and internal dialogue kept me from noticing something that was fairly obvious. That's why these discussions are so good, because everyone sees something different.

Fred said...

@Studiorose: Eyeglasses--Flannery O'Connor's short-story "Good Country People," uses the symbolism of eyeglasses. To see the vision of heaven, the heroine must have her eyeglasses stolen by the traveling Bible salesman. In O'Connor, eyeglasses act as a barrier to grace. However, in some other O'Connor stories, glasses act to overcome human limitation (i.e. "The Spectacles' and Wise Blood).

LOST seems to follow O'Connor's dual symbolism regarding glasses. Wearing glasses keeps people focused on the narrow and up-close, instead of seeing the larger picture (i.e. they act as barriers). But those wearing glasses often seem in control of things, or at least for awhile (to wear glasses is to overcome the shortcomings of being human). We must not also forget to wear glasses is to have a certain point-of-view.

And beside ths usual suspects, who wears eyeglasses. Among the Dharma, it is Oldham and Horace and Radzinsky, the last being perhaps the most obsessive of the lot. If glasses are a barrier to vision, then certainly that would fit Radzinsky.

Among the Others, it seems only Ben and Richard, though I think Mikhail did when getting the bullet out of Sayid (Enter 77).

Sawyer and Charlie's brother Liam (in Australia) wear glasses, and I am unsure but perhaps also Abaddon and Kelvin Inman.

There is also one more point of glasses: Lord of the Flies--Piggy's glasses represent civilization. The loss of his glasses represents the success of savagery.

Fred said...

@Studiorose: There might be a number of reasons Richard accepts Locke as leader. First we don't know how leaders are chosen--do they have to usurp power form the previous leader, like supposedly Ben did? More importantly there are a number of incidents that might convince Richard:
--Jack telling Richard not to give up on Locke.
--Locke being healed on the island once crashlanding on it (Mikhail indicates Others knew Locke was paralysed), and Richard even tell s Locke there was much excitement when they heard of a man healed on the island
--Richard gives Locke Sawyer's file, suggesting Richard intended Locke to trick Sawyer into killing Cooper (is this part of the usurpation of the old leader test?)
--it is possible, Richard knew of Locke facing smokie and living
--also possible, Richard knew of Ben shooting Locke, and Locke surviving (fate may be a way of picking the leader).

Altogether I don't think it's quite unbelievable for Richard to imagine Locke could be the leader. Also I don't think many people just walk up to Locke and say they are. Finally, before Locke first flashed into the past, Richard and the Others were awaiting him in the hollow, and I expect Ben told them to expect Locke's arrival as leader.

But I agree with you, Richard is a mystery. What is his job? Why is he ready to follow Locke, but not Eloise and Charles (when he takes Ben into the Temple)? What does Richard do everyday, beside build ships in a bottle?

Marebabe said...

@Sonshine: Last week in the comments you mentioned the video, "Bendiana Jones and the Lost Island". I just got around to watching that, and I agree, it's pretty cute and well-made. While I was there in YouTube, I discovered another movie trailer mash-up called "Juliet in Wonderland (Lost Style Trailer)". It's good. I think you'll like it too!

Verification word: moutqkle - something Klingon.

Ambivalentman said...

As much as the romantic relationship issues in "Lost" distract from some of the other key elements, the scene between Jack and Kate is particularly good. The look on Kate's face when she realizes that Jack wants to wipe her from his memory...heartbreaking.

And when Phil hits Juliet... grrrrr...

@Marebabe: I also thought about "The Jerk" when Jack said "I have a purpose now." You're not alone, my friend.

paleoblues said...

@JS: Speaking of rats, we missed the best reference of all. The movie Willard. In it the ultimate leader of the rat pack and biggest rat of them all just happened to have been named, you guessed it, BEN.

humanebean said...

@paleoblues - YES!! How could we forget the charming little movie about the lonely boy and his best friend, the rat? PLUS, we have the automatic LOST connection - in the 1971 original (and not the crappy 2003 remake) Willard was played by none other than Bruce Davison, also known as Hurley's Dr. Brooks from the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute ("Dave"). Who can listen to Michael Jackson's iconic "Ben" and not think of our very own bug-eyed Benry?

paleoblues said...

@humanebean: I think there was also a scene in the original movie where Willard's boss falls out of a window (ala Locke) to his death.

humanebean said...

Yes indeed - played by the estimable Ernest Borgnine, in a role designed to permanently erase all memories of him from McHale's Navy right out of my media-saturated brain.

Ed said...

I, too, want Richard answers. In fact, it's one of my three must-answer mysteries for Season 6.

I've always thought of Richard as a sort of Consigliere, like Robert Duvall's character, Tom Hagen, in "The Godfather." He's not technically "part of the family," but he is part of the family; he advises and knows intimate secrets, but has no technical power himself. He's part of it but also separate.

So that may explain why he is seemingly omniscient and surprised by events at the same time.

Here's a funky theory: What if Richard is, in fact, the leader? What if it's a scenario like "Dave" (the Kevin Klein movie, not the Lost episode, although this is an imperfect analogy) or something, where the real guy isn't who is parading around -- that Jacob is just acting as if he's the leader when it's really been Richard all along?

The Question Mark said...

@JS & Ed:
very astute observations regarding Richard. It would make a lot of sense if he was actually the person in power, but just pretended not to be. Kinda like Queen Amidala in Star Wars.
I'm glad Nestor Carbonell will FINALLY be joining us full time to answer some questions about one of the most enigmatic characters on TV!
Does anybody else remember watching him as Batmanuel on the live-action series "The Tick"?

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NOUN; a television show that crosses "Reaper" with "Casper".

paleoblues said...

I'm going off on a tangent here, but being an obsessive type I discoverd the movie Willard on YouTube. It's been almost 40 years since first seeing it and I'd forgotten who was in it. (Thank you Humanebean for reminding me). Anyway, when Willard first comes home to his birthday party,the first thing he does is reset the grandfather clock which runs slow. When he goes out to the pool and meets his first rat the musical score begins. Here's the kicker. The first few bars of the score are exactly the same as the sound used on the Lost DVDs during the fade out-fade in when you chose an episode. I got chills when I heard it.

Nikki Stafford said...

Only in a discussion about Lost could we be talking about an episode where a major character has just died and the end of the world is near, and you guys are bringing up movie titles that alternately puts in my head the line (said by a white guy), "I was born a poor black child," and Michael Jackson singing, "Ben, the two of us need look no more..."

I had something more important to say and now I feel like watching that movie again (I saw it when I was a teenager and it scared the bejeezus out of me... Willard, not The Jerk).

Nikki Stafford said...

OK, you guys are making me go SO far off on a tangent here, but can I just use this opportunity to quote one of my all-time fave scenes... EVER?

Navin R. Johnson: Well I'm gonna to go then. And I don't need any of this. I don't need this stuff, and I don't need you. I don't need anything except this.
[picks up an ashtray]
Navin R. Johnson: And that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one - I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that's all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.
[walking outside]
Navin R. Johnson: And I don't need one other thing, except my dog.
[dog barks]
Navin R. Johnson: I don't need my dog.

Nikki Stafford said...

Susan: What makes Hurley's conversation with Chang so funny is that it brings up the very question he was concerned about so many episodes ago when he found out he had landed in 1977. Also there is the fact that he denies the existence of the Korean War while Jin is standing there. The looks on Jin's & Miles's faces are priceless.

The Korean War bit is my favourite part. It's like he thought MASH was utter fiction. Hahaha!

paleoblues said...

One of the producers on the original Willard was Bing Crosby. Can you believe it?

Michael Jackson's "Ben" was actually the theme song to the 1972 sequel of the same name.

Marebabe said...

This is weird. I was just over at browsing around, and in the TV section under "Tonight's Picks"... "The Jerk" is on tonight on Cinemax. That's a fun coincidence. Less fun (for me) is the fact that they didn't even mention that "Fringe" is on with a new episode tonight. Humph!

By the way, Nikki, I'm a little concerned. Tell the truth, did you type that whole Navin Johnson speech from memory? Or did you have to look it up in order to get it right? Don't worry, this is a judgment-free zone. ;)

Virgina Katz said...

I also wondered why Jack swam underwater all the way across the pool instead of taking a breath right before going into the tunnel. I guess that would not have been as spectacular and this is LOST where everything seems to be done the hard way.

When Eloise is telling Jack and Kate about Jughead, it totally sounded like she was bum. I wondered for a second whose butt she was going to take them to.

paleoblues said...

Two nights ago I watched a 2 hour episode on the Biography channel. The subject? Steve Martin.

Marebabe said...

Are we on the verge of spinning a new Steve Martin theory of Lost? Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)

By the way, I may be later than usual posting comments tonight following Nikki's "Incident" rewatch post. It all depends on whether a flight I'm meeting is on time, or if it's late. Because it's winter, I'm betting it will be 4-5 hours late. But we'll see. My point is, nobody panic!

JS said...

@Marebabe - thanks for letting us know, we watch for that!

tiasabita said...

@Susan - thank you, I too have always been bewildered by the seeming unnecessary violence in LOST. I was majorly turned off when I started watching in S3 & am not quite sure why I continued watching, but gosh I'm so glad I did!! I guess there has to be something for everyone - intrigue, hot girls, hot guys, comedy, violence.

@nikki - yes, a Richard flashback pleez!! And an island flashback including the temple and the statue and the Black Rock. And an Eloise and Widmore flashback! And I too got a giggle out of your list of disadvantages of a reset!

It looked like John shook Richard's hand with bloody boar hands when he entered the Others' camp!

Didn't notice the looks exchanged between Miles and Jin and Hurley during the Korean War dialog - so funny!!

The pain in Kate's face when Jack told her the time with her wasn't worth remembering just ripped my heart out. And I found it interesting how quickly Jack switches sides - he had so much faith in Ben and believing returning to the island was the right thing to do then he immediately does a 180 when Daniel mentions that Eloise (& Ben) was wrong. Why did he change his mind seemingly without any thought?

Less than two weeks.....!!!

SonshineMusic said...

In regards to the whole Hurley/Vietnam War thing..... I didn't get the idea that he thought the war wasn't real, but that he thought it was like a trick question... Like Chang was trying to trip him up and Hurley was trying to not get caught and in the process ends up sounding clueless.


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Nikki Stafford said...

There are currently 42 comments, and this will make it 43. Do you know how many times the comments are at 42 or 23 and I think, "No... just leave it, Nik. Don't add another one." Seriously, it's the NUMBERS, man!!

Anyway, I want to agree with everyone who felt like THEIR lungs were about to burst as they watched everyone swimming under the water! Especially Jack, because he's the one we follow.

Here's what I don't get. If it's such a LONG journey, then why not swim above-water to the waterfall and THEN go down? Why go down right at the bank, swim along the bottom with the surface right above you and go under the waterfall, never once coming up for air? I would have stayed above the water for as long as humanly possible.

crazyinlost said...

@Marebabe-"So if that was the Man in Black wearing his brand-new Christian suit..."
hahaha, Man in Black! MIB!! Brand new Christian suit!!! hahahahahahahah

crazyinlost said...

@Batcabbage-"On a slightly related note, the other night Batkitty and I watched a rerun of this movie about a bus that had to speed around a city, keeping its speed over fifty, and if its speed dropped, it would explode! I think it was called "The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down."
ROFLOL! I cant stop laughing-my coworkers are looking at me again with 'that look'!

crazyinlost said...

@paleoblues-re: Hurley and the Guitar: Someone Hurley didn't know told him to go back to the island, and then left a guitar behind. IMO, in Hurley's mind this guitar must be significant, and not something to be just left behind.

crazyinlost said...

@paleoblues-I wondered the same thing about the swimming! Why did they have to hold their breath so early? That makes the swim at least half as long again as they needed to swim!
And I just recently watched TZ "The Old Man In The Cave" and I was totally thinking about Lost when I was watching it!

crazyinlost said...

@Marebabe,paleoblues,SonshineMusic-I'm getting ahead of myself again! But I take deep breaths with the characters too, and try to hold it as long as they can, and I usually make it (not accounting for the fact that I am just sitting doing nothing aerobic as opposed to say swimming!). The one time I totally didn't make it was when Jonas had to swim in the submerged mother ship on SG1. He was down there wiked long! Nefertiti must have given him Aqua Man DNA! Ha!

Marebabe said...

@crazyinlost: This is funny. I swear that I didn't consciously put 2+2 together when I had MiB and "brand-new Christian suit" in the same sentence. But OF COURSE, it was in the movie "Men in Black" that we heard K talking about "a bug in a brand-new Eggar suit". I think we (movie fans) get so comfortable with some of our favorite lines, we forget their origins. Anyway, I love it that you pointed this out to me!

SonshineMusic said...

@crazyinlost: The one time I totally didn't make it was when Jonas had to swim in the submerged mother ship

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I totally know exactly what scene you mean, because I was freaking out that I couldn't even come close to making it. That was MAD long time to hold your breath.

crazyinlost said...

@Ed-I went on to your link and watched the "Lost Premiers To Make Fans More Annoying Than Ever"-I was laughing so hard! I had to show it to my co-workers, so they will be forwarned! So, so funny!

crazyinlost said...

@Sonshine-I totally knew you would get my referenc, you fellow SG1 fan you!

word verif-heoburg-sister ship to the Hindenburg!

Blam said...

Nikki: Richard wears glasses
Maybe somebody was rushing with the eyeliner pencil one day and ouchies.
Nikki: We see Horace wearing them occasionally, as well as that doctor in Dharmaville who didn't know how to deliver Amy's baby.
I truly love and admire how you just don't let some things go. 8^)
Verification word: pholes -- Young male horses genetically engineered for cell reception.

Blam said...

paleoblues: When Not-Locke walks into camp carrying the boar there is a woman who looks like she is hanging up clothes, but is actually hanging up squid.
This is one of my all-time favorite sentences.
Verification word: ChemPro -- No joke, I think this company actually does industrial carpet-cleaning in my area.

Blam said...

Nikki: "I don't need anything except this."
Gadzooks, I love that scene. And the genius of Steve Martin is that even with him affecting a goofy voice, as the scene gets more and more just hysterically funny, it's also just so melancholy.
Verification word: trowsurr [Callback alert!] Pants worn when playing Phonetic Baseball.

crazyinlost said...

@Blam-I guess you could call me a 'ChemPro' since I am lead of the Chemistry dept. at my work (at a Statlab in a hospital)! So there!

word verif-thyclow-something viscous laying on the ground