Friday, August 14, 2009

1.24/25 Exodus Part 2

Follow along! The episode guide for “Exodus, Part 2” is in Finding Lost, pp. 150-159.

Oh, how I love this finale. Aaron is kidnapped and saved, Walt is kidnapped, the raft is blown up (and so is Arzt), the hatch is opened, Sayid gives Charlie the most wicked cauterization ever, and we get a hilarious Hurley flashback.

Fun things I noticed:
• The “previously on Lost” bit was said by someone else.
• Best. Opening. Ever. I don’t think I’ve ever been laughing so hard when the LOST whirs toward me on the black screen.
• Did anyone else notice that Hurley lost one of his carry-ons partway through his race to the terminal? He had a black and blue bag with him, and by the time he’s running to the man on the scooter he’s lost the blue one. (And he didn’t check it, because he still has it after the check-in.)
• I asked in the previous guide when it was that Jack officially hated Locke, and now I think it’s this ep, where he says that Boone’s death was a sacrifice the island demanded. For Jack, that would be where Locke’s obsessions officially became looney-tunes.
• I love how they contrast Locke the warrior with Locke the disabled man who needs to be carried onto the plane. His humiliation is so palpable there. But one question: if they don’t have the chair on the plane that can move him about… does he really have to last a 15-hour flight without going to the bathroom once? Now THERE is agony. No wonder he thought the plane crash was a salvation…

Things that have new meaning:
• I talk about this in my book, but it’s worth reiterating here: I’m intrigued by the focus on Aaron’s eye at the beginning of this episode. If the episode that follows is usually from the perspective of the person whose eye is featured in the beginning, then it would stand to reason that what we see in the episode is from his perspective. It’s always been this one detail that’s made me think he’s more important than we might think, and I was surprised when he didn’t return to the island with Kate. You’d think he’d be the one person the island would want back. But it could be a Charlotte thing, where he spends his life trying to get back there or something. (Can you tell I cannot WAIT until season 6???)
• I’ve never understood how Sawyer knew the Black Rock had sailed from Portsmouth, England in S5 when he’s talking to Horace, but now I see it says PORTSMOUTH in giant letters on the hull. Strange, then, that Locke immediately assumes Mozambique. Perhaps it originated from Portsmouth by way of Africa?
• There’s a lot of fate and destiny talk in this ep, and not just between Jack and Locke. Michael tells his mom (who, incidentally, WILL be the person to take him when they return) that Walt wasn’t supposed to be his, that this wasn’t part of the plan. Weird that a man so hell-bent on getting his kid back 8 years ago has changed his mind so much, but I guess the poor guy had given up when his EVIL ex-wife had made it near impossible for him to ever see him again (that and her evil pep-talk at the hospital where she said he was just doing this for himself… grr, I hate her). Sun believes in fate; Claire doesn’t.
• Hurley’s prediction of what’s in the hatch wasn’t actually far-off – there were probably TV dinners in there somewhere, and while there wasn’t a ton of TVs in this hatch, they were in the Pearl. But it definitely had a 1950s vibe to it (and 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s).
• Locke says that he believes hope is inside the hatch; yet after it’s opened, he slowly loses his hope on the island.
• Locke’s speech is integral to this entire series (it was used by theblackbox in the Destiny season 6 prep video):

LOCKE: Me, well, I'm a man of faith. Do you really think all this is an accident -- that we, a group of strangers survived, many of us with just superficial injuries? Do you think we crashed on this place by coincidence -- especially, this place? We were brought here for a purpose, for a reason, all of us. Each one of us was brought here for a reason.
JACK: Brought here? And who brought us here, John?
LOCKE: The Island. The Island brought us here. This is no ordinary place, you've seen that, I know you have. But the Island chose you, too, Jack. It's destiny.
JACK: Did you talk with Boone about destiny, John?
LOCKE: Boone was a sacrifice that the Island demanded. What happened to him at that plane was a part of a chain of events that led us here -- that led us down a path -- that led you and me to this day, to right now.
JACK: And where does that path end, John?
LOCKE: The path ends at the Hatch. The Hatch, Jack -- all of it -- all of it happened so that we could open the Hatch.
JACK: No, no, we're opening the Hatch so that we can survive.
LOCKE: Survival is all relative, Jack.
JACK: I don't believe in destiny.
LOCKE: Yes, you do. You just don't know it yet.


• OK, so Locke was wrong about the path ending at the hatch (maybe… season 5 ALSO ended at the hatch, so…) but he’s right about Jack believing in destiny, just not knowing it yet. By season 5, he believes in it completely.
• Sawyer muttering, “I ain’t no hero” to Michael certainly sounds ironic from a season 5 perspective. Also, you can see that he always had it in him right from the start, from jumping in the water to get the rudder to pulling out the gun to try to save Walt.
• Sitting by the hatch in the bushes, Jack asks Kate if she has his back, and she says yes. Fastforward to season 5, where they’re sitting by the hatch in the bushes, and Jack asks Kate if she’ll have his back, and she says yes.

46 comments:

Susan said...

Nikki re your comment about Kate having Jack's back...Last night House of the Rising Sun was on Scifi and I noticed, when Jack was trying to convince Sayid about the caves, Kate supported him even though she doesn't agree. Throughout the show Kate does support Jack for the most part though she sometimes shows it in weird ways.

OK my comments:

Danielle: Are you on the same island I am? ROFL

I love the juxtaposition of the Hawaiian shirt man telling Jin he will never be free, then the scene cuts to Jin on the raft, enjoying the breeze and sunshine, having made up with Sun before he left.

Why why why does Kate have to carry dynamite? What is the big deal?

Also on the dynamite, first time through, I noticed how gingerly Jack was walking, and he even takes off his backpack when the monster shows, but I didn't figure out that he had the dynamite. I usually miss the obvious things in this show ;)

When Walt is steering the raft, Michael tells him to aim for the clouds -- what??? Clouds move, and if you're headed in a specific direction, you want a fixed landmark not a moving one. Maybe he should have taken Kate with him after all.

I too loved Hurley's prediction of what was inside the hatch. I'm not sure at what point Darlton had it figured out what was in it.

Jack says they will soon have a Locke problem -- what really struck me was the look on Locke's face when Hurley was yelling for him to stop. He looked at Hurley then with determination ignored what Hurley was saying. I think if Locke knew about the numbers-Hurley connection he wouldn't be too happy, he seems to think only he has a special communion with the island.

Charlie tells Rousseau that she's pathetic, but when I see Charlie's scene in the hotel room with the druggie not-fan, I can't help think he's the one that's pathetic.

Jazzygirl said...

During that Locke speech, I've always felt like Locke should have mentioned the fact that the island HEALED him. Wouldn't THAT fact make Jack reconsider it's specialness given the medical miracle? But it's almost like he's purposely NOT telling him...like he's keeping the ace up his sleeve. But then he never winds up using it.
As for the voice in the beginning...well, honestly I didn't notice. LOL But the voice is usally Damon's, right?
God I remember the first time watching this and the BUZZ about "what's in the hatch?" So great. :)
I also noticed that Hurley lost his luggage. Odd. With all the things that tried to keep him from catching that flight, was he really meant to be on that plane?
What I love about this re-watch is that we don't have to wait months for any answers (minus S6 of course) to the cliffhangers. I'm SO glad we're doing this. I've forged ahead into S2 a little since I'm leaving in a week for vacation.

The Shout said...

Jazzygirl: I really hope we get a scene in S6 where Jack finds out Locke was in a wheelchair. Of the Losties only Boone and Rose (and possibly Walt?) know.Maybe if we get to see an alternative timeline of what happened had the plane not crashed, Jack will get to see Locke in the chair firsthand.

Looking back at Exodus as a whole, I cant believe how much of the monster they showed us. I dont think anyone at the time thought we'd seen it, but hearing Rousseau describe a column of smoke in the jungle, then Jack and Kate catching a glimpse and then see it shoot out of the ground after being dynamited, how did we miss it?!

Benny said...

Curse you Nik for posting this in the morning! My notes are at home...
BTW, I'm not really cursing you :)


@Susan: Did you also notice how Kate started running with her backpack on? That could ahve been dangerous! Both JAck and Locke took theirs off.

As for the clouds, I think it's the best advice to give a kid when there is not land around...


To be precise, Jack says: "If we survive tonight, we'll have a Locke problem." Three years later and they really look like the have a Locke problem, haven't they always?


Back this evening with my notes - if no one brings up my points!

Fred said...

@Susan: Aiming for the clouds is one skill of a Micronesian and Polynesian method of sailing called 'dead reckoning'. Stories told by navigators include where they had seen dolphins in the water, and flotsam washing along. Clouds actually are very informative, as when you see them over an atoll, you see them reflect the water in the atoll before even seeing the atoll. I know clouds move, but they also give you a point to aim for.

I love it when the smoke monster appears, Locke stands still. Now there's a man whose seen Jurrasic Park. I think the smoke monster was going after Locke to prevent him from opening the hatch. First Sayid tries to convinve Locke not to open it. Then the smoke monster, and then Hurley says not to open it as the numbers are cursed.(Loved Hurley's line about caching the dynamite and carrying a torch not going together).

Locke being carried on the plane, the look of embarassment, almost like he doesn't want anyone seeing this. How frustrating his life must have been, and so well illustrated when he dropped the laminated card from the net bag of the airplane seat. It was just out of his reach, like most things in his life. So, so very sad. He is part of that invisible world of handicapped people, shuffled on and through before the healthy people come in.

Interesting they salvage from the Black Rock (with its dead in chains and in their positions in the hold) much like they salvaged from Flight 815 (with the dead belted into their seats in the fuselage).

Was Hurley's line about whoever named the Dark Territory a genius a pat on the back to some writer in the storyboard room?

Jin giving the watch to Michael shows beginning of friendship and Jin's freedom from Mr. Paik. Sun's gift to Jin of a phonetic dictionary is an act of love. Before she learnt English in secret, and now she wants to share this with her husband, even knowing he risks drowning at sea.

It was also cool the juxtaposition of the hatch blowing open, and the cut to the sound of the beep of the radar--foreshadowing of the beep from the computer, so frequently heard in Season 2.

One last thing, Rousseau says she heard the whispers talking about coming for the boy. Wow! Does she ever have great hearing to make out what the whispers are saying. If what she heard was true, they were talking about getting the boy (not Aaron, though), then maybe we can think of the whispers as "stream of consciousness" from people on the island (and even the dead?). Maybe that's one of the reasons LOST referenced James Joyce's "Ulysses".

Nikki Stafford said...

Susan: I thought EXACTLY the same thing with the clouds!! I thought, "Huh... if Desmond did the same thing, no WONDER he ended up back on the island." HAHA!!

As for Charlie's comment, I think the guy has always felt like a bit of a loser on the island, and now he gets to shout at someone else and make them feel badly. I saw this as the beginning of Charlie's downward spiral into meanness in season 2.

Benny: LOL! Sorry... I was able to watch it and write it up in the car last night, and this morning I just figured I'd post it and be done with it. :)

Nikki Stafford said...

Fred: Wow, I responded to Susan before seeing your comment. I had no idea people followed clouds when navigating. It still doesn't make any sense to me, but that's why I'm not a naval captain. ;)

The Question Mark said...

@ Nikki: Yeah, I noticed the different "Previously on Lost" voice, & Hurley's bag. I think in Deus Ex Machina they used a different voice actor as well.

My one big regret is that I didn't start watching the show until somewhere around the time that the episode "Dave" first aired, so I never really got to experience that awesome "What's in the Hatch" buzz. But at least I've been able to buzz abouts Seasons 4, 5 and 6 with you fine people! :)

I know this is kind of unrelated to Exodus, but I had an idea yesterday about Jacob and Un-Locke, and just who that mysterious man in black might be, but I guess I'll save that for when we're covering S5.

Benny said...

@Nikki: and that's why we'll never doubt your dedication!

Fred said...

@Nikki @Susan: Giving Walt a cloud to steer by may not be such a bad thing, at least it would keep him focused on his task, as you point out. Also I wonder how naval Michael is (did Susan take him out sailing in their early years?). I mean he's from New York; but then again he is building a raft from scratch. This is much like Sun's amazing knowledge of herbs and herbal medicines. But then who knew Shannon could tie a bolen knot.

humanebean said...

Fred, you make a number of excellent points and describe the awkwardness of Locke's position while boarding the plane very succinctly. We are used to seeing him in positions of power and ability beyond those around him and to see him here looking defeated is powerful.

Please forgive me if I take exception to your contrast between the 'handicapped' and the 'healthy'. I assume nothing but positive intent in your choice of words but such juxtapositions are often the source of misunderstanding and one of the many hurdles handicapped individuals face in society. Yes, you are correct that there can be awkwardness attached to needed assistance while boarding transportation but it is important that we avoid stigmatizing those with disabilities with any implication regarding their 'health' or other unnecessary distinction from the general populace.

I apologize for drawing discussion away from the topic at hand and hope that you will understand the intent behind my comments.

Fred said...

@hunmanbean: Thank you for correcting me. Point well taken. My distinction was regretable, no matter how well intended.

Marebabe said...

@Susan: You beat me to the punch with some of your comments, so I'll just totally agree with you here! I've always loved the shot of Jin with his eye on the horizon and the wind in his hair, immediately after Paik's goon tells him he'll never be free. Sometimes I like my storytelling big and obvious. :)

When Charlie is in the hotel room with the druggie not-fan, she actually says to him, "You're pathetic!" Not only that, but she spits the line with exactly the same venom and emphasis that Charlie uses when he hurls that line at Danielle.

@Nikki: Regarding your guess that The Black Rock originated from Portsmouth by way of Africa, I'd say that's probably the case. I learned about this from watching "Roots". In fact, I just now looked at the relevant scene again so I could relay the info accurately. In 1765, when Captain Davies was hired to take the Lord Liganier on its voyage, he was given his itinerary to follow. He would carry tobacco from ANNAPOLIS to ENGLAND, then carry "hardware of various sorts" from England to the GAMBIAN COAST, there to pick up any available spices and, the main cargo, slaves. The hardware consisted mainly of the chains used to keep the slaves from escaping. It made sense, and was most efficient, to travel along this triangular course, changing their cargo at each stop.

Speaking of The Black Rock, I would expect the inside of it to be positively draped with spider webs. Looked pretty clean to me.

There's always been a lot of talk about boxes in Lost, and sometimes people even come right out and mention Pandora's Box. But do you remember how that mythical story ended? After all the bad, evil stuff flew out of the box to wreak havoc on the earth, Pandora sadly looked into the box, and there was a jewel resting on the bottom. The jewel was HOPE. I always think of that when I hear Locke say that he thinks hope is inside the hatch.

humanebean said...

@ Fred - no worries, mate. Thanks for taking my comments in stride.

@ Marebabe - excellent point about Pandora's box! I'm sure most folks only ever think about the ills that escaped from the box when the analogy is used.

Susan said...

Lots of cool comments I could reply to but since I had a long first comment I'll keep this one short ;)

OK I had never heard of dead reckoning, but why didn't Sayid give them the compass? I guess he thinks it's broken?

Marebabe, I love your connection between Pandora's hope and Locke's hope, I totally missed that one.

LOL at Fred's Jurassic Park comment!

The Question Mark said...

Question for you all:

After all of this Adam & Eve pondering, was anybody else wondering if those skeletons chained up in the Black Rock were more than just "slaves", as Locke said, and maybe they're people we know?

Katey said...

Pretty much everything I was going to comment on has been brought up already--you guys are thorough!

The only other comments I had were these:

**I loved Hurley's line about "You've got a bit of Artz on you"...poor Hurley, he looked so traumatized after that. =P He's a trooper.

**There was a cool little scene in the Black Rock when Kate touches the dangling shackles with a sort of "glad I was born a few centuries to late for these" look on her face--I always thought that was cool

**The Shout's comments about seeing the monster before reminded me of something I'd been thinking about earlier and that is, when Rousseau says she saw "a pillar of black smoke" before they came to take Alex, I imagined the monster destroying the Statue. I'm not sure if that's possible within the timeline, but for some reason I pictured that...the smoke monster stretched out high into the sky, wrapped around the Statue like it was going to tear it down

**I'm sure you guys have all heard the theory--someone mentioned it during the Comic-Con videos from last month, but I love the idea that Richard or "Ricardus" came to the island on the Black Rock way back in the day

Anonymous said...

Fot me this episode always drew a line between those who were "put" specifially on 815:

Locke by the tour guide
Sawyer by the Australian cop
Michael & Walt by the husband
Kate by the Marshall
Claire by the psychic

I always thought we'd discover all those people who put them there were working for Ben. Or now maybe Jacob.

Contrasted by Hurley who was clearly meant to miss the plain. Was that Jacob?

Benny said...

@Anonymous: That's interesting. You can also make a group of those who 'forced' themselves (for lack of a better word) onto that flight.

1- Jack, he could have taken a later flight because of the coffin;
2- Hurley, almost missed it and willed himself to his seat;
3- Sayid, could have taken an earlier flight and also got delayed because of Shannon;

...and to some extent
4- Sun, was actually leaving but was drawn back to Jin;
5- Charlie, almost missed it as well, was delayed at the elevator by Hurley.


And you have everyone else who just happened to take a given flight, which turned out to be 815.

Joan Crawford said...

Poor Artz...he is painful to watch (and not just when he gets blown up) isn't he? Waves of hostility and desperation...I hate to say it, but, watching him blow up was one of the more awesome "OMG!" moments of Lost.

Katey said...

Even more awesome, Joan, was watching the commentary and hearing them talk about how they had set workers off camera dumping bags of raw meat over the scene...oh, that is so ridiculously awesome in a sick, sick way! =P

tiasabita said...

I, too, loved the new free Jin. Well, free for now!

I didn't remember that Jack had changed the dynamite to his backpack and I immediately thought it was crazy that Kate started running away with her backpack still on while Jack took his off. Of course a minute later I had the 'AHHH' moment!

If Hurley is in the spotlight I can't be happier! Just loved all the millions of times the numbers showed up around him! Once they got to the island some of the survivors would have had to have remembered the big, sweaty fat guy dashing thru the airport, breaking in line, losing bags!!

I read on a post maybe two weeks ago about two other sites where LOST was available to watch since season two is not on abc.com. Does anyone remember those sites? I'm not sure under which episode to find the info!! Thanks!!

Katey said...

Oh, yeah that was me tiasabita! I'll repost them, I can't remember which post it was either so here they are again:

Cucirca.com/Lost

SurftheChannel.com/Lost

The second one is kind of confusing to navigate, let me know if you have difficulty--the first one is better site by far. The quality isn't always the best but, well--at least it's free and there are no commercials. =P

Nikki Stafford said...

@Marebabe: Really interesting comment about the slave ships mentioned in Roots taking the route from England to Africa to the U.S... especially because Ben has a copy of Roots on his bookshelf. D'oh... I wonder if this means I should read that book, too. Urgh.

I was also remembering hope in Pandora's box. I remember having that conversation with someone a couple of years ago.

I think there are several connections you can make with Pandora's Box and why a "box" would interest Locke -- Locke works at a box company. Hurley owns the box company. Now Locke wants to open the box; Hurley wants to keep it closed. Later Ben will ask Locke to imagine a box on the island that had the one thing in it he always wanted. He was speaking metaphorically (Locke takes him literally and later asks Ben if the Orchid station is the box) but I remember thinking, "Locke already HAD one box on the island and it contained the one thing he wanted more than anything -- hope." But Ben had a better gift for him: Cooper.

And now... Locke's in a box.

Joan Crawford said...

*starts singing* It's my Locke in a box!

Sorry!

Hey, you're so smart Ms.Nikki! You should write a book or 5 about Lost;) All the box stuff - I never would have connected all of that seemingly random stuff (working in a box company,etc...)

thass why you tha boss and I'm the...not boss guy?

Marebabe said...

Nikki, if it helps, I can heartily recommend the novel, Roots. It's on my bookshelf too! And I had forgotten about the fact that it shows up on Ben's bookshelf. Your mind is really like a steel trap!

Just yesterday I browsed around in your other blog, Oprah Schmoprah, for the first time. (That may be the best name for a book club ever!) Anyway, I get that you love a good read. I also kind of get that there's already a big stack of unread treasures piled up, waiting for you. It's a busy life, no doubt about that. But Roots is a fascinating, well-written book, and I think you would really enjoy it. When you get around to it.

Fred said...

I looked "Pandora" up on Wikipedia. An older myth holds that it was not Pandora who opened the jar, to let out the vil, but a "foolish man". Cool.

Anonymous said...

katey, thanks a bunch for the websites!

tiasabita said...

katey, sorry that was tiasabita, not anonymous!

Jenn said...

Okay, due to being late to join the game here this time around...this comment applies to both parts of Exodus.
1. People hated this finale? Really? The suspense is absolutely beautiful! I DIED at the end of this episode! But, died in a good way—not an Artz way.
2. Exodus is Latin for exit or finish I believe. (Am I right? If I am wrong please correct me!). So since this obviously isn't the finish, I think of it as an exit. For Desmond. I often have the philosophical Lost chats with my brother, and have said about a billion times: "Desmond is the key to everything!" I am not sure how yet, or why, but I believe he is of the utmost importance to the arc of the show, and knowing that Locke has started the series of events that allow Desmond an "Exit" from his button-pushing prison makes me HAPPY!
3. Last thing for this episode: Why are the numbers on the hatch? The numbers drive me INSANE with wonder.

Benny said...

Some comments I didn't get to post yesterday!

-Man to Jin in airport bathroom: "You are not free. You never have been and you never will be."

-"You like to play games John?" -- "Absolutely!"

-Arzt has a wedding ring. In the mobisode 07-Arzt and Crafts , when he argues about the caves, he has it. But in mobisode 09-Tropical Depression when he tells his story to Michael about meeting a girl online and going to see her in Australia, he does not have the ring! Minor detail I know.


@Jenn: here's what could be fascinating about the numbers - just a thought. They are on the hatch because it's the serial number of the model or whatever, nothing special.
What makes them special is what follows. Someone starts repeating them over some broadcast, they get heard and, because of their origin (the island) start affecting people: Sam, Lenny, Hurley.

We know that since Sam and Lenny head them in 1988, they've been special, then to Hurley. We don't know their history prior to that. Up to that year those numbers may have been nothing! Wait and see I guess.

Benny said...

Interesting information of the week: Charlie's middle name is Hieronymus.

Have a good day!

Susan said...

I'm guessing people hated this finale because they wanted to see what was in the hatch. (I guess they didn't really know what a cliffhanger is!!) They were expecting to see something and were denied, so they hate the whole episode.

I think most of the people who hated Exodus were probably the same people who dropped out of watching Lost during season 3.

studiorose said...

Hurley: "No, no, no, don't do it! The numbers are bad! Don't do it!"

Locke: "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!!!" (lights fuse)

Okay, he didn't actually *say* it this time - but he was thinkin' it! I always wonder what Locke would have done if someone else had told him to stop; someone like Sayid or Jack. Nobody ever takes Hurley seriously. He practically had to slap Jack in the face to get him to pay attention when he was trying to warn him about Ethan. No wonder the poor guy has an eating disorder.

The Shout said...

I know a couple of people who felt cheated by the cliffhanger but personally I couldn't see how it could end any other way -I loved it. The whole point of a cliffhanger is to leave you wanting more.

Benny / Jenn: I hope they address The Numbers in someway during season 6. I love the explaination of them as values of The Valenzetti Equation for predicting the end of the world given during one of interactive online games:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation

but I'd still like to know how it all ties in with DHARMA and why they were broadcast. Remember when the French crew heard the transmission, in This Place Is Death, it sounded very much like Hurley. I can feel a heavy dose of irony coming on.

The Shout said...

oops. didn't paste the full link:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation

The Shout said...

Won't let me post the full link for some reason. oh well, go to lostpedia and look up Valenzetti Equation!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps stating the obvious, but Desmond is hope. 8~)

On a different note, regarding the debate that grows in subsequent seasons about Ben possibly being
"good", I just can't buy it, especially upon re-watching this last episode. Instead of offering rescue, The Others (whether at Ben's direction or not) kidnap Walt
and blow up the raft. IMO, the cruelty of these actions simply cannot be justified.

Thanks for the rewatch! It's been wonderful to revisit these episodes with like-minded folk.

Jennifer said...

Sceve is still being confused (see conversation between Sawyer & Walt)

I remember when watching this the first time how excited I was about the light and the raft. Then when Mr. Happy/Tom says, "We're gonna have to take the boy", I thought child molesters or pirates...not The Others!

J.W. said...

@studiorose: both Walt and Hurley tell him not to open the hatch. John even acknowledges to Jack and Sayid that there must be some other entrance somewhere, but John doesn't even bother to look for it. I think opening the hatch becomes an obsession for him, and he looks at the situation as him versus the hatch, something for which he won't accept defeat. When Hurley starts yelling not to light the fuse, you can see John's expression is one of, "For Pete's sake, I'm just about to have my victory and this guy is trying to stop me." And then he quickly lights it before anyone can stop him.

variabull said...

Was this the first appearance of anthuriums?

In the area where the "smoke monster" attacks our dynamite toting survivors we see the large red flowers that later make an appearance when Eko confronts "Yemi" and Ben mentions them in his directions to Locke on how to locate the elevator to the Orchid time travel laboratory. I believe they are also in the portrait of what may be Ben's mother in Ben's barracks home. Besides being heart-shaped and a symbol of love do you think they have any other significance?

Also Locke is dragged along what appears to be a well worn path to the 'Cerberus vent" he is dragged down. Did anyone else associate the apperance of the 'smoke monster' with a roller coaster (this attack viewed in association with the attack on Keamy and his men)?.

There is also the "Hurley bird" which Hurley seems to be especially afraid of and the flapping of wings associated with the attack.

variabull said...

The "Black Rock", the "Fuselage", the "Cockpit", the "Beechcraft", the "Barracks", the "Hatch", the "Aquarium", the "Four-Toed Statue", the "Beach Camp", the "Donkey Wheel", ...you don't suppose its a Disney/ABC theme park...from the future...sorry, just being sarcastic.

Joan Crawford said...

The Donkey Wheel is actually a piece of exercise equipment, for over weight children, cleverly disguised as a ride! Oh, will those tykes ever be angry when they figure it out!

SonshineMusic said...

@Benny: Did you also notice how Kate started running with her backpack on?

seriously! It's a good thing Jack DIDN'T give her the dynamite or she would have blown herself up. She certainly wasn't acting like she had it on her.

@Joan Crawford thass why you tha boss and I'm the...not boss guy? Bwahahahahaha! I know, Nikki rocks, right!?

@Anonymous: Perhaps stating the obvious, but Desmond is hope. 8~)

Ah! You totally beat me to the punch. I agree.

More thoughts....

Locke half in the shadows in the hold of the Black Rock=supremely creepy.

Arzt totally got on my nerves. I never realized how much I disliked him. His explosion was nearly as good as Frogurt getting Flaming Arrowed.

The look on Locke's face when he "bzzzzts" like the Operation game cracks me up.

I love Sawyer's reaction to Hurley's letter.

Claire is the one screaming Locke's mantra in this episode when she wants to go with them to get Aaron.

That moment on the boat between Walt and Michael, where Walt says his mom was wrong for keeping him from his dad is so precious. It really helps to build that connection between them that's been lacking thus far and leads to how far Michael will go for his son. It also makes it even more heartbreaking to consider that Michael will never have a chance to be Walt's dad.

Locke left the dynamite carrying to fate, but Jack isn't going to let "fate" decide something like that for him.

Hurley: "Like a monster that eats people?" HA!!

I always found it odd that they make the journey to the caves in this episode seem like some major trek, but previously people ran back and forth between the beach and the caves all the time taking no time at all.

Why does Smokey not just pull Locke's arms off like Montand? Is there really that specialness there that it doesn't want to damage him?

That watch is really a symbol of Jin's old life and his old master. By giving the watch willingly to Michaels it's like he is turning his back on Paik and choosing to be Sun's husband first and formost. This is really where he makes the major turn and really becomes the Jin I've come to love so much.

I love when Jurley picks up the airline lady and spins her around.

Jack to Locke: "Who brought us here?" Me: Jacob!

Twice now, Jin has been on a boat that exploded and then he drifts to shore.

Nikki kind of said this....

Season 1 ends at the Hatch with an explosion.
Season 5 ends at the Hatch with an explosion.

Born to Run away from Kate said...

Re: 15 hours on a plane without being taken to the washroom

Locke likely has a catheter into a bag, and possible a colostomy bag as well, and as long as it doesn't get disconnected/spilled, it will collect whatever it has to....

I don't know for certain how long such bags collect before they MUST be emptied, but it is a possibility.....

Juanita's Journal said...

@Marebabe: Really interesting comment about the slave ships mentioned in Roots taking the route from England to Africa to the U.S... especially because Ben has a copy of Roots on his bookshelf. D'oh... I wonder if this means I should read that book, too. Urgh.


What is it about the novel "ROOTS" that makes you respond in that matter? "Urgh"? Does the topic of U.S. slavery repel you? Or do you think it's a lousy novel?


I am not surprised that Charlie was tempted by the heroin again. People who have addictions have to constantly battle it throughout their lives. Did you really think that Locke had "cured" Charlie's addiction in such a short space of time? I found that idea ludicrous. Even worse, Locke had forced his assistance upon Charlie. Charlie had never asked for his help. And when Charlie had to face and endure his temptations on his own in Season 2, Locke pretty much spat in his face. His ego was probably bruised that "he" wasn't the one who proved to be Charlie's savior when it came to the latter's drug addiction.