Follow along! The episode guide for “Eggtown” is in Finding Lost — Season 4, pp. 43-49.A good episode at the time that, in retrospect, is mired down by inconsistencies, but it’s still fun if you can overlook all of those. Kate cleans up real nice, and we find out she’s Aaron’s new mommy.
Fun things I noticed:
• You know, it’s always driven me NUTS that Claire and Hurley seem to have mourned Charlie for about 30 minutes and now, two days after finding out he’s dead, Hurley’s back to joking and watching Xanadu, and Claire’s making coffee and giggling and worrying about Aaron. Wow. Glad to see the little Mancunian made such an impact on you guys.
• Miles leaning in to Kate and using mock suspense to say, “What did you DO?!” is still hilarious to me. I love that guy.
• The biggest lie that Jack tells on the stand? That he never grilled Kate about anything on the island. Like WHATever.
• I really push this book in my S4 book, but Sawyer is reading The Invention of Morel and it’s a fantastic little book. Read it if you ever have the chance. I highly recommend it. Awesome book.
• What does Miles mean when he tells Ben he’ll take care of Charlotte? Would he really kill her?
• Oh, Diane Austen. The sympathy I do NOT have for you is so vast. The worst thing about the doctors telling you that you have six months to live for the past 4 years is that it HASN’T COME TRUE.
Things that have new meaning:
• John Locke says if Ben rereads Valis he might catch something he missed the first time, and that quote could pretty much be the mantra of our entire rewatch! :)
• Now we know Miles was asking Ben for exactly double what Widmore paid him to be on that freighter.
• We also now know why Charlotte was quizzing Dan with the playing cards and doing the memory game with him after seeing “The Variable.”
• The call to the freighter prepares us for the awesomeness of what’s going to happen in “The Constant.”
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I think that more questions were raised in this episode (and “The Constant”) than in any others. And that’s all I have to say about that.
I completely agree @ claire & hurley not mourning for charlie, at least not very long. It seemed cold to me, that they were joking and happy and Charlie had just DIED for them. Whewwww....It drove me nuts, too.
The first time viewing I thought Kate saying 'Hi Aaron' was one of the best cliff hangers ever! Did she have Sawyer's baby and name him Aaron in memory of Claire's Aaron who must have died or been left behind or was it THE Aaron?! I think it was brilliant how the writers left that interpretation wide open at the time!
And speaking of Kate, I guess I'm missing something...why is she so offended that Sawyer is so happy that she's not pregnant? They live on an island with people and things who want to kill them, they never know where their next meal is coming from, they hardly even know each other. Why isn't she also thrilled that she's not pregnant? I do get her need to have something real and stable in her life but I think she's taking Sawyer's relief too personally!
Regina always makes me laugh! She sounds so bored and uninterested, like the calls are disturbing her soaps or something! Monotone - 'Yeah? Why are you calling me on this number?' instead of 'OMG, you're calling on the emergency number! What's wrong? Are you OK?' Ha!
Happy Thanksgiving tomorrow to any of you here in the States!
@tiasabita: (*laughing quietly to myself*) I never knew quite what to make of Regina. But now I see that I should've been laughing! You make an excellent point. Maybe she's stoned on whatever drugs they give you for the "sickness".
Well, John falls for Ben's manipulation once again. In the last couple of blogs some of us were talking about how good John is getting at manipulating others, but it doesn't keep him from being manipulated.
"If Hugo knows, everybody knows." What a convenient way for the writers to avoid having characters explain things to other characters onscreen.
One thing I would like explained is why it took so long for Kate's trial to take place. Aaron is (in real life) about two months old when they get rescued, and appears to be around one and a half or two at the end of Eggtown. So what took them so long? And incidentally, why is she tried in California instead of Iowa?
More proof of John's craziness -- putting a grenade in Miles's mouth.
I love Miles. It's nice to see at least one character who has a decent dad. :)
I agree about the Chah-lee mourning (or lack, thereof).
When Shannon died, Sayid was all mopey and grim for the rest of Season 2. Hurley & Claire have had a lot longer to spend with Charlie, and now that he's gone Claire is happier than she's literally EVER been in the history of the series, and we're back with "Good Old, Funtime Hurley".
Oh, and I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I decided that I would eat eggs while watching this episode, just to be ironic. :)
The little scene where Jin is trying to decide on a U.S. city to live in after they get off the island. Sun says Albequerque is too hot, and New York too crowded. Reminded me of Goldilocks and the Three Bears.
The boat house was like the cabin. There's an empty chair. Later, when Locke introduces himself, it's like Sayid when he introduced himself as a torturer.
@tiasabita-I think Kate is still torn between Jack and Sawyer, and must count this comment/attitude angaint Sawyer, w/o even giving him a chance to explain himself (at least as far as WE know). But you are right, she isn't thinking about the big picture and is taking his reaction way too personally.
@Susan-John and manipulation. They kinda go hand in hand dont they? I notice it again on "The Other Woman". He's learning (or has learned) from the best.
@studiorose-yes, but Pierre Chang did desert his family, even if it was to keep them safe. Seems like he should've gone about it better to keep in touch with them.
The eye opening of Locke-it must mean something!
Locke, "If I was a dictator, I would've shot you by now."
Why is Kate all of a sudden afraid of Aaron? Has she really done nothing with him since she helped him come into this world?
"Myth Busters" busted the myth that you cannot blow off a padlock with a gun!
Kate lets "mum" instead of "mom" slip out-oh you Canadians!
"My name is John Locke, and I'm responsible for the well being of this island." That seems rather presumptuous IMO, besides the fact he doesn't say "people" of the island, he just says "island."
@crazyinlost: if Locke claims he isn't a dictator, then what is he? A leader who is losing control of the situation?
Also, it's not just the eye opening, but that he is in Ben's bed, a hospital bed no less. Clearly, Locke is trying to take over Ben's position, but its a very meager position. See when he opens the fridge how few things there are--a few mangos, 2 eggs, and what looks like a can of Dharma cornbeef or spam in the door. When Ben opened the door of the fridge a few days before, it was well stocked and plenty of Dharma food products. A metaphor for the lader is bare for poor Locke.
@Susan: Regarding how long it took for Kate's trial to get underway, that's just how long it takes sometimes, what with lawyers stalling and asking the judge for continuances and more stalling... But you raised a fascinating question, one that I'd never thought of before: OF COURSE Kate's trial would have taken place in Iowa. (Duh.) Why did the writers go for such obvious fiction (snort), and how did I (we) not notice it?
Susan: Excellent point about the place of the trial -- I think you're absolutely right. The only thing I can think of there is if her mother somehow moved to California because they had some sort of cutting-edge treatment for her cancer, and then maybe they made a move to push the trial to California because both of them were there and it was unsafe to move Diane.
Am I making excuses for the writers? Yes I am. ;)
Question Mark: Oh, and I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I decided that I would eat eggs while watching this episode, just to be ironic. :)
LOLZ!! Please tell me you added a little melon on the side. ;)
tiasabita: And speaking of Kate, I guess I'm missing something...why is she so offended that Sawyer is so happy that she's not pregnant?
This is an excellent question, and one that speaks loudly to Kate's character, I think. She's far more complex than she's usually given credit for, but if you think back to "I Do," she was contemplating leaving her husband, but took a pregnancy test first. When it came back negative, she broke down in tears in the bathroom. To her, a pregnancy would mean being rooted somewhere. A baby would keep her safe, keep her in one place, and give her something tangible in the world that completely belongs to her and to that other person. She feels like she has no ties to her own mother or father, and it's her "fake" father, Sam, who is the only one who cared about her. So I think having a baby would allow her a bit of a do-over, by giving this kid the happy family she never had. So when Sawyer says he doesn't want a kid, she's not looking at the medical possibilities on the island or the fact that she could die or it's just not the *best* idea in the world on a mysterious crazytown island, she's looking at it as if there's no way Sawyer would ever want to be tied down with a kid and with her. By him saying he's glad she's not pregnant, she interprets that to mean that he's happy he wouldn't be stuck with her because she has a kid.
If you remove the mysterious island quotient and put Kate and Sawyer in the real world, what he says is an insult. In her mind, I think she's imagined they're in the real world and she takes his words the way any of us would.
But I agree with you -- put in the context of the island, she's better off not pregnant. What always kills me in this scene (and this time I found myself yelling it at the TV) is that Sawyer doesn't explicitly SAY that. "Look, Kate, I love you and I don't want you to die. When we get off this island I'll give you truckloads of babies and we'll live happily ever after, but while we're here, don't you think it's best to remain unpregnant for a while?" But no, he doesn't say that. He just goes, "Whooo, doggies! That was a close one!"
@Susan - you and other before have said it but yes, having Hurley be the blabbermouth takes care of lots of 'splainin! I tend to forget that when I'm asking myself 'How did they know that?'!!
@Nikki - 'And speaking of Kate, I guess I'm missing something...why is she so offended that Sawyer is so happy that she's not pregnant?' In my brain I was thinking something like that but could never have put it quite so eloquently or hilariously as you!! That would be quite a fine looking truckload of babies!!
@crazyinlost - yeah, she said 'mum'! ha!
@marebabe - regina is definitely stoned on something! ha!
@Nikki: Look, Kate, I love you and I don't want you to die. When we get off this island I'll give you truckloads of babies and we'll live happily ever after, but while we're here, don't you think it's best to remain unpregnant for a while?
HaHa! This is EXACTLY how he would say it, too :D
I love how Ben says, "Excellent, John. You're evolving," directly before Locke smashes the dishes exactly like he did last time in the hatch.
I found it so bizarre to see Sawyer sitting on the porch in Dharmaville knowing now that he will spend three years there. Weird.
Deflated Ghost Chicken!!!!
Maybe I'm basing this on too much tv watching, but in all of the trials I've seen on tv, the defendent is on the right side (from the judge's perspective) while here, Kate is on the left and the prosecutor is on the right. Is there any significance to this? Or does it vary from case to case? Or am I just paying WAY too close attention?
Nikki: Your analysis of Kate and her desire for a stable family and for a baby to give her that was right on the money. That makes her relationship with Aaron as his mother all the more poinant and her leaving him all the more heartbreaking. She was leaving all she ever wanted to go back to a crazy unstable life.
Did you notice? On Aaron's dresser there are some stuffed Australian animals. And in the painting with the bicycle above the dresser someone is sticking a playing card into the picture from the lower right corner. It is the 6 of clubs, which was the second card Daniel identified in his "memory game" with Charlotte.
Oh, Diane Austen. The sympathy I do NOT have for you is so vast. The worst thing about the doctors telling you that you have six months to live for the past 4 years is that it HASN’T COME TRUE.
Why do you continue to castigate Diane Austen? Kate should be lucky that Diane wants to forgive her for Wayne's murder. Especially since Kate murdered Wayne out of pure selfishness.
I really felt a lot of contempt toward Kate in this episode.
One, I'm glad that Sawyer pointed out her hypocrisy and habit of using him, whenever her relationship with Jack was on shaky ground.
Her plot to get access to Miles to learn if anyone knew about her status as a fugitive was rather stupid.
But turning her back on Diane really pissed me off. It's bad enough that Kate had wronged the woman by killing the latter's husband for very selfish and insecure reasons. Then when Diane tried to reconcile, Kate turned up her nose at the idea . . . even after Diane refused to testify against her.
Kate was a real bitch. How on earth could you continue to fool yourself that she had done nothing wrong?
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