tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post4908026665295062944..comments2023-09-03T08:06:27.231-04:00Comments on Nikki Stafford's Lost Rewatch!: 2.05 ...And FoundNikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-56289678870571352742011-12-12T18:21:57.605-05:002011-12-12T18:21:57.605-05:00I used to watch the scene of Jack trying to cheer ...<i> I used to watch the scene of Jack trying to cheer Sun up as just that – Jack trying to cheer her up. But now I wonder if there’s any significance to him wearing a fake ring? In some religions, that ring is the symbol of fidelity: you take it off, and it’s a sign that you’re unfaithful. So here’s Jack wearing a replica of the ring that Sarah originally put on his finger, and looking her in the eye and convincing her it’s the same one. We can obviously see this early on that he’s an excellent liar, which will serve him well when he pulls off The Lie of season 5.</i><br /><br /><br />When "he" pulls off the lie? Don't you mean all of the adult members of the Oceanic Six?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-58822779183089068982009-09-15T23:25:19.502-04:002009-09-15T23:25:19.502-04:00oh, one more thing, Jin-su and Sun-hwa are full na...oh, one more thing, Jin-su and Sun-hwa are full names. Usually korean names have two syllables, while kwon and paik are their last names.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-42926902728041091342009-09-15T23:20:37.852-04:002009-09-15T23:20:37.852-04:00when you're calling someones name in korean, y...when you're calling someones name in korean, you don't normally just say the person's name like you would in english. Instead, you add -ssi (pronounced shee) at the end of the person's name. But that only applies when you know each other personally and on the same level of class. And actually its abnormal when jin calls sun "sun" or vice versa. They're suppose to say Jin-Su-ssi or Sun-Hwa-ssi. It drives me crazy when that korean fertility doctor calls Jin "Mr. Kwon", cuz they would never do that, its very informal. I think though the reason for the abnormalities is more for the english speaking viewers so they dont get confused. Also, ja-gi-ya or yo-bo (which they occasionally call each other) are just names married couples call each other, like honey or sweetie. <br />And if you notice, Sun sometimes adds -yo after her sentences and thats just a polite way of speaking, usually when talking to someone of higher class, talking to a stranger (out of general politeness), and sometimes when a wife speaks to her husband (because men are considered head of household). hope all that helps!<br /><br />and by the way, Daniel Dae Kim's korean isn't that great. Sometimes I have to actually read the subtitles to understand what he's saying cuz of the accent. but still decent! and i love his character!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-26045130381826837152009-08-30T14:32:38.872-04:002009-08-30T14:32:38.872-04:00An explanation of the honorific Sun uses with Jin:...An explanation of the honorific Sun uses with Jin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_honorificsDavid Bowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031384519196979692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-10383069223871081652009-08-28T17:31:32.028-04:002009-08-28T17:31:32.028-04:00This is definitely one of my favourite episodes. O...This is definitely one of my favourite episodes. Of course, Jin is one of my favourite characters, and I think I love all of his flashbacks.<br /><br /> I found what Locke said, about how the only way to find something to to stop looking for it, very interesting. It reminded me a lot of what Rose or Bernard (I can't remember which...) said in the season 5 finale, about how it didn't matter what happened as long as they were together. They stopped looking.<br /><br /> Nikki: I loved what you said about Sun wearing orange in season 6! That would be great!Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17453402951700283278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-23795857459631535122009-08-28T01:39:59.887-04:002009-08-28T01:39:59.887-04:00@Susan: Ooh, thanks for sharing! If I ever saw tha...@Susan: Ooh, thanks for sharing! If I ever saw that before, I forgot all about it. I'll be sure to have another look at that.Marebabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-14864685067268572632009-08-28T01:36:14.431-04:002009-08-28T01:36:14.431-04:00@J.W.: I think you're onto something there. Ek...@J.W.: I think you're onto something there. Eko's line should've been, "They don't leave tracks...THAT WE CAN FIND." As with anything, some people are more skilled than others. And tracking isn't the only discipline involved here. Some people practice and become very good at leaving minimal signs of their passage through a landscape. "The better to mystify you, my dear."Marebabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-17421672783447176732009-08-28T01:24:17.800-04:002009-08-28T01:24:17.800-04:00One of the season 2 DVDs has the Others walking th...One of the season 2 DVDs has the Others walking through the jungle on the menu page. If you leave it on the menu page long enough, then another Other will be following the Others, wiping away their trail with a palm branch.Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-90079777877130507762009-08-27T20:54:33.999-04:002009-08-27T20:54:33.999-04:00Regarding Eko's comment: "They don't ...Regarding Eko's comment: "They don't leave tracks" - it's something I took notice of too, now that we know the Others better. It reminds me of the situation with crop circles back in the 1980s. There was this thought that the circles couldn't have been manmade, because they were so big and the creators never left footprints. Then the hoax was revealed: they are, in fact, easy to make (with a board and rope) and the people making them do indeed leave tracks, though they try not to make them obvious.<br /><br />My theory is that the Others' mysterious nature has made it easy for the ignorant to believe things about them that aren't quite true.J.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02055347345434106368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-5699577074420299382009-08-27T16:48:12.888-04:002009-08-27T16:48:12.888-04:00I kept noticing orange things in the episode, Jin&...I kept noticing orange things in the episode, Jin's flower when he is working as a doorman is an orange rose, the only things on the table for Sun's date are two glasses of orange juice, Michael has on an orange shirt which I thought was funny, perhaps he is Jin's love. <br /><br />I also loved getting to see how Jin lived before he married Sun. His apartment was such a youthful bachelor pad and his roommate seemed like so much more of a young bachelor than he did. It's hard to imagine Jin as anything but an intensely driven and serious person so to see his apartment and think of him doing Hurley things like watching TV and eating junk food and hanging out with friends is difficult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-83578760528449784712009-08-27T15:57:22.237-04:002009-08-27T15:57:22.237-04:00The errors suggest not everything was entirely pla...<i>The errors suggest not everything was entirely planned in the entire story arc. </i> <br /><br />Darlton and the other producers have long said that while they've always had the broad strokes of the story mapped out from the beginning, a lot of the little details they've made up as they go along (or as they like to put it, Lost is a road trip, and they know their ultimate destination, but they don't necessarily know in advance which route they will take to get there). <br /><br />I definitely think something like the placement of Goodwin's body counts as one of those little details and can easily be chalked up as a production error. <br /><br />This is definitely one of the big "Others mystery" episodes: so many questions sparked by that one brief scene (and I sadly feel like most of the questions will go unanswered, as I definitely think this episode occurred at a point where they were just throwing everything they could think of at the audience to make the Others as mysterious as possible).Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-62287815150348745932009-08-27T13:57:32.470-04:002009-08-27T13:57:32.470-04:00On the subject of Kate looking at all the messages...On the subject of Kate looking at all the messages in the bottle, what was her purpose for doing so? Sawyer didn't write a message; he had no reason to. Was she looking for her own message? And if so, why? She knows what she wrote and to whom it's addressed. If her purpose was to remove it, why?<br /><br />Also, Michael gave Sawyer a hard time for reading the messages (as did Sun to Kate), but at some point *someone* would have had to read them all, if their raft trip was successful, in order to determine who was to receive them. And likely they were all rather boring variations on the same theme: "I love you, I miss you, I'm okay."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-60967066607779471302009-08-27T12:06:25.023-04:002009-08-27T12:06:25.023-04:00@Susan: thanks for the tip, I'll browse throug...@Susan: thanks for the tip, I'll browse through Lostpedia for the continuity errors.<br /><br />The errors suggest not everything was entirely planned in the entire story arc. <br /><br />Also, the focus on rings, a ring would never have a gap, or break, suggesting a loophole. Was Jack's idea to buy a copy of his wedding ring a "loophole". I mean the ring looks the same, so it could fool someone (Sarah) into thinking it is the same one--like Locke in Season 5.Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474623954925835867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-4642022566860412652009-08-27T11:58:26.920-04:002009-08-27T11:58:26.920-04:00My grandmother refused to have her wedding ring re...My grandmother refused to have her wedding ring removed, even when she broke her wrist and her hand swelled to, like, an unimaginable size. I think it's her way of staying connected to her husband—my grandfather—who's passed.<br />(BTW she's just fine and dandy now—this was some time ago)<br />Jin's well-being has been called into question, and the chances that he may be gone are great. Even though Sun says it is just a thing, I believe that in her heart it was something that helped her feel connected to Jin. <br />Remember later in the series that rings will be significant again for Jin and Sun.JennMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754816706901976659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-49843323593265749692009-08-27T11:01:56.308-04:002009-08-27T11:01:56.308-04:00Studiorose, I think Kate didn't hug Sun for dr...Studiorose, I think Kate didn't hug Sun for dramatic reasons. While I agree that it would be very natural for Kate to hug her, the scene focused on Sun's reaction and was a powerful and moving scene that I think would have been diminished if Kate had "intruded" into it.<br /><br />Fred re the location of Goodwin's body...Lostpedia has a whole page of continuity errors like that if you're interested. It includes things like the change in the Swan's interior, and the exterior location of the hatch from the time when John and Boone first found it to the later scenes where they work on it.Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-64302238549686351602009-08-27T10:42:22.596-04:002009-08-27T10:42:22.596-04:00Great comments. All of your comments on the rings ...Great comments. All of your comments on the rings (esp Joan's and Question Mark) had me in stitches. <br /><br />But now on to serious matters!! Ahem. <br /><br />studio: Really great catch on the owner hiring the doorman. I would agree that it would probably be someone further down who would do it. Unless the guy is a crazy micromanager, and figures he should have final say about the person who will give the first impression of the hotel. But I agree; when he pulls that tag off and then tells Jin that he smelled fish, I wanted Anthony Cooper to push him out a window. <br /><br />Fred: I agree. As I pointed out in my summary, Goodwin's body looks like it's in a different spot for some reason. By "The Other 48 Days" it looks a little more correct.Nikki Staffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-80980688912262601132009-08-27T10:41:07.899-04:002009-08-27T10:41:07.899-04:00I liked this episode, but it didn't really giv...I liked this episode, but it didn't really give a whole lot of new thoughts for me.<br /><br />One thing is that I always think of the Lost Boys from Peter Pan whenever Eko and Jin are watching them go past - you know, with Michael's teddy bear. Weird.<br /><br />And Eko says, "They don't leave tracks." but Ethan did, because they follow him.Rebecca T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11994380364321336824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-49577865442012971462009-08-27T10:01:36.537-04:002009-08-27T10:01:36.537-04:00As Fred says, Jin's name is "Jin-Soo"...As Fred says, Jin's name is "Jin-Soo". I know a fair number of Koreans, and all of the ones I know have at least two syllables in their first names---i.e. "Jin" and "Sun" would be very odd names for them to have. Yunjin Kim has said in some interviews that she convinced the producers to add a second syllable to both Jin and Sun's names to make them sound like actual Korean names.<br /><br />I believe the "-shi" suffix is similar to Japanese "-san". It is not unusual for Japanese wives to call their husbands "firstname-san", so I wouldn't be surprised if it's similar in Korea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-90817133987018833682009-08-27T04:31:21.287-04:002009-08-27T04:31:21.287-04:00Nice briefing, Nikki & great comments from y&#...Nice briefing, Nikki & great comments from y'all!<br /><br /><br />I cannot agree anymore, the reuniting flashbacks = beautiful writing<br /><br />I, too, was wondering about that passing between Jae-lee and Jin, where Jin is referred to as 'jin-shoo-shee'. I asked back on one of your posts Nikki in my comments about "Chag-i-ya" & what does that mean (http://lost-rewatch.blogspot.com/2009/08/120-do-no-harm.html), but no-one responded :'(<br /><br />I was a little puzzled too about Eko's response to Jin, but I'm guessing it means he is a priest since he pauses in his response and it is at that point that he realises.<br /><br />Jack trying to help Sun made me laugh, I get a strange feeling seeing these characters on screen, since when we were trying to figure out who the second man was she blamed for Jin's apparent death to her, we thoguht it may be Jack and we know Jack at least thought so. These two never seem to click/have an understanding/respect for each other as much as other characters?<br /><br />It's strange how Jin has gone all 'I'll do anything for my mates having once been completely the opposite and yes hasn't he picked up English very quickly indeed :)Azáhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04177781964280938606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-1790878012049112412009-08-27T04:29:54.645-04:002009-08-27T04:29:54.645-04:00I thought it was obvious Kate didn't get to sa...I thought it was obvious Kate didn't get to say goodbye to Sawyer. She just wasn't comfortable admitting her feelings for him to anyone since he wasn't exactly well regarded among the Losties. There's also the issues of her viewing him as a 'bad boy' whom she had no reason to like, especially not with a 'good guy' like Jack around.<br /><br />I'm not so sure Sawyer in season 5 was so much different than Sawyer in previous seasons. (Have you forgotten that he left everyone behind when he got on that sub with Juliet?) His proclaimed 'every man for himself' philosophy has been contradicted by selfless and even heroic acts from the very beginning of the show. Just a few episodes before he saved Michael's life and I believe he might've left him behind this time because of Michael's attitude or because he got scared of starting to care too much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-21734842734696158722009-08-27T04:28:58.749-04:002009-08-27T04:28:58.749-04:00I had a few more thoughts about this episode. I li...I had a few more thoughts about this episode. I like how everyone was so kind to Sun when she was all upset. In the process of being sympathetic and supportive, Jack, Hurley, and Locke all revealed more of their characters and bits of their backstories. It was nice, and I found myself liking them all even more.<br /><br />One of Eko's lines really stood out for me. Speaking about the Others: "They don't leave tracks." Well, then, they must not be corporeal beings, because all earthbound creatures leave signs. I still don't know what to make of this statement. It may be that, at this stage of the storytelling, the writers wanted to really pile on the mystery about the Others. They succeeded! I remain yours truly, Mystified.Marebabenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-38916178201892666462009-08-27T02:25:44.429-04:002009-08-27T02:25:44.429-04:00@Nikki: I don't know what Jin-shee or Jin-soo ...@Nikki: I don't know what Jin-shee or Jin-soo means, but Jin's name is Jin-Soo Kwon (properly, it should be Kwon Jin-Soo). Interestingly, Sun's name is Paik Sun-Hwa (in Korea, women do not take their husband's name). <br /><br />Okay, how does Jin begin to pick up English so easily. I mean, he's about having a full blown conversation with Mister Eko. Sure, I get it, he's catching words: "wife," "name" etc. It makes the story move along a lot easier, but just days ago (by LOST time) Jin was being beaten up by Michael, and from his perspective everything people were saying was gibberish. <br /><br />I like how the idea that what is lost can be found if you stop looking for it (very Zen). How often this occurs in the episode. Looking for Michael, he is "found" (notice Eko says "we lost his trail") by Jin when Jin is drinking from the stream. Jin and Sun "find" each other when they aren't looking for each other (love at first sight). Sun "finds" her ring, when she digs up the bottle to give it to Kate. Finally, at the waterfall, Jin says to Michael, "You find Walt," meaning Michael will not find Walt now but will in the future. Also Eko says to Michael, the Others won't be "found" unless they want to be--does this imply they purposely walked by Eko and Jin to reinforce the impression they are as poorly off as they are?<br /><br />Goodwin's body seems out of place. Wasn't it on a hilside? So what's it doing in the jungle? Continuity error?<br /><br />Jin goes to work as a doorman at the Seoul Gateway=>"soul gateway" or entrance to heaven? The religious images keep coming. His employer says Jin stinks of fish, putting us in mind of Jacob (also Christ's claim to his disciples to be fishers of souls); notice how many fish Jin catches with the sea urchin bait. When Jin lets the older man and his son in, he is called a "good man".Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474623954925835867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-33769812075236414142009-08-27T01:54:53.510-04:002009-08-27T01:54:53.510-04:00I was disappointed at the end of this episode, whe...I was disappointed at the end of this episode, when Sun was getting all emo over finding her ring, that Kate didn't lean over and give her a hug. Would have been a great moment.<br /><br />I'm curious as to why the hotel manager would interview an applicant for the position of doorman. Doesn't he employ some personnel flunky to do all that for him? Did he also interview each of the maids, cooks, wait staff and busboys? I tell ya, when he made that comment about "smelling fish," I SOOO wanted him dead. Lofty bastard.<br /><br />LOVED the scene of Jin running smack into Sun after being distracted by the other lady in orange. Great timing, as they both had been recently rejected and were dejected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-41052807304276196102009-08-27T00:10:48.545-04:002009-08-27T00:10:48.545-04:00I see a wedding ring as being a bit like Frodo'...I see a wedding ring as being a bit like Frodo's ring.<br />Once you put it on, it gives you an overwhelming and almost alien sense of power that you've never felt before, so if you should ever lose it, you would go Smeagol-ballistic.<br />But I agree with Sun: it's just a thing.The Question Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-62624876984253940952009-08-26T22:01:20.491-04:002009-08-26T22:01:20.491-04:00Some people take the ring very seriously. My paren...Some people take the ring very seriously. My parents are Roman Catholic and I remember one time they had a big fight when I was in high school and my mom took off her ring for 3 days! We were like "Woah, she means business!"Joan Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04513335615114222374noreply@blogger.com