tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post8501343559153841249..comments2023-09-03T08:06:27.231-04:00Comments on Nikki Stafford's Lost Rewatch!: 1.01 Pilot, Part 1Nikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-26984066612828642632015-01-25T02:32:31.482-05:002015-01-25T02:32:31.482-05:00Jack saves Rose, Hurley, and Claire in the first 5...<i> Jack saves Rose, Hurley, and Claire in the first 5 minutes. I think this is why I was slow to get on the “Oh SHUT UP Jack” train… I think everyone on that island owes Jack their lives. Maybe he’s right to be holier-than-thou. But honestly, by season 4, we kinda want him to shut up. But in this episode, I thought he was freakin’ awesome.</i><br /><br /><br />I'm beginning to wonder if the reason why so many fans - including yourself - bitched about Jack is that you had expected him to be perfect or near perfect. After all, he was the leading character, male, white and so-called leader of the castaways. He wasn't allowed to make many mistakes.<br /><br />It's a pity that those same fans failed to understand that Jack was a lot more interesting when he was showing his flaws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-49972828008767227152012-07-11T20:48:01.530-04:002012-07-11T20:48:01.530-04:00Am I reading too much into it or does the wound in...Am I reading too much into it or does the wound in Jack's side make you think of the spear thrust in Jesus' side after He had died? There's a continuity between the last scene of season 6 and the first shot of season 1 which makes me think of resurrection, and this gaping, bloody gash only strengthens the suspicion that it was intentional.JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04955893556268382944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-66395272393434241732010-06-08T02:45:35.954-04:002010-06-08T02:45:35.954-04:00Nikki said: "As Jack is running to the beach,...Nikki said: "As Jack is running to the beach, he passes a white tennis shoe hanging from a bush. I guess now we can assume that was Christian’s."<br />Yes. I guess that Christian was thrown out from the coffin during the plane crash. Actually, the shoe is the proof that Christian´s body is on the island and my guess is that Smokey found both the body and the coffin. He made disappear the body but helped Jack to find the empty coffin knowing that it would disturb him. That would lead to the theory that those apparitions of Christian on the island were always MiB (as it was confirmed by himself on the last season).Jeannonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-50407078643764043342010-06-08T02:45:05.959-04:002010-06-08T02:45:05.959-04:00Nikki said: "As Jack is running to the beach,...Nikki said: "As Jack is running to the beach, he passes a white tennis shoe hanging from a bush. I guess now we can assume that was Christian’s."<br />Yes. I guess that Christian was thrown out from the coffin during the plane crash. Actually, the shoe is the proof that Christian´s body is on the island and my guess is that Smokey found both the body and the coffin. He made disappear the body but helped Jack to find the empty coffin knowing that it would disturb him. That would lead to the theory that those apparitions of Christian on the island were always MiB (as it was confirmed by himself on the last season).Jeannonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-51108841691039459172009-07-25T09:03:01.265-04:002009-07-25T09:03:01.265-04:00I still find it amusing that Jack says to Kate, &q...I still find it amusing that Jack says to Kate, "You're gonna need better shoes," when he himself is wearing wingtips.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-83612822045400272102009-07-15T15:55:19.375-04:002009-07-15T15:55:19.375-04:00@humanebean: That is such an interesting thing abo...@humanebean: That is such an interesting thing about the pilot's wings. Something I never would have ever noticed, but interesting to contemplate. Hmmmm...This is why I love Lost and why I love Nik at Nite :)Rebecca T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11994380364321336824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-89395981041468471722009-07-15T13:35:02.665-04:002009-07-15T13:35:02.665-04:00Late comments as was on hols last week. But here a...Late comments as was on hols last week. But here are my observations nonetheless:<br /><br />Part 1<br />• Before Jack's waking in the jungle we know the mobisode actually just took place and Christian instructing Vincent to wake Jack up as "he has work to do" is this canon?<br />• Two cuts on face - Indian warrior?<br />• Tennis shoe – spotted this first time round, when Christian is in Jacob’s cabin, he is rocking in a chair wearing only one shoe – the other shoe!!!<br />• Locke is first on the scene to help Jack and it's almost as if the camera does not really want to feature/promote him to be known to the viewer.<br />• Smoke Monster in the initial scene, Nikki's book pointed this out to me, and upon this rewatch, it certainly looks suspicious although apparently Darlton dismissed it?<br />• Why did the pilot have to die? I know he was going to try and radio for help, but never got round to it, was it because he was 'not supposed to be there'?<br />• Jack's story of counting to 5, we know can see it not as a new viewer, but having been fresh out the season 5 finale, it's almost poetic!<br />• Sawyer and Jin seem to be real @s!*'s and it's great writing how they slowly become fan favourites and we love them!Azáhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04177781964280938606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-56737254357833379872009-07-12T11:48:20.098-04:002009-07-12T11:48:20.098-04:00Nik, the thing about the pilot that I keep coming ...Nik, the thing about the pilot that I keep coming back to is the aviator's wings that Kate found in the jungle, leading to the discovery of the pilot's body in the trees overhead. This could simply be a production error/choice, but those specific wings were only in use for a short while at the end of WWII and shortly thereafter. Given all that we've seen of the passage of time on the Island (and it's links to WWII and early fifties' history) this would seem to loom as significant.<br /><br />I can certainly see how the showrunners wouldn't have had the entire mythos of the Island mapped out at this stage - but they DID have a sense of where the story was going in time (Adam & Eve skeletons, drug plane crash, Hurley's link to the source of the numbers, old-time radio broadcast, etc.). I also recall Darlton commenting on the fact that there was something else of significance in the Pilot that people had missed. (I know, I know, NOT CANON)<br /><br />Could the pilot and his aviator's wings be the overlooked element? His untimely death at Smokey's er... hands and the fact that he stepped in at the last minute under mysterious circumstances perhaps points towards larger meaning.humanebeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15717844158635399246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-47397532935349520122009-07-12T11:34:17.751-04:002009-07-12T11:34:17.751-04:00@Katey - It occurs to me that another way of looki...@Katey - It occurs to me that another way of looking at the contrast between Jack and Locke (and the duality of the show) is the conflict between cynicism and optimism. Jack, the man of reason, is fairly cynical about that which he cannot immediately prove (and control). He discounts speculation on the unknown, mysterious happenings and/or what he considers unreasonable hope that things will work in the survivors favor.<br /><br />And yet, he badly <i>wants</i> to believe that he can save the Marshall, prevent chaos in this motley crew and keep the group from disintegrating into <i>Lord of the Flies</i>-style self-preservation at the expense of the whole. "Live together or die alone". Through all that awaits them (and the impact of his own wrong-headed decisions) this conflict within him will continually force the Losties into situations beyond their control ... and only fuel his messianic impulse to save them all, consequences be damned.<br /><br />Locke, on the other hand, is almost perversely optimistic about their chances. Having miraculously survived the crash <i>and</i> had the use of his legs restored to him, he has unwavering faith in their ability to survive whatever the Island throws at them. Yet (as we will see) his life has given him every reason to be cynical about the inevitable consequences of putting faith in others. (pun very much intended) "Don't tell me what I can or can't do!"<br /><br />His maniacal insistence on the rightness of destiny will put the Losties through as many trials and tribulations - and cost lives - as Jack's single-minded skepticism regarding anything as nebulous as 'fate'. Over time, the two will switch roles as Jack begins to see the necessity of faith ... and Locke most certainly will come to rue his lack of rational deliberation.<br /><br />Neither optimism nor cynicism alone offers a winning formula for life (not to mention plane crashes on remote South Pacific islands, otherworldly security systems dba 'smoke monsters', machiavellian natives/hostiles/Others, electromagnetic energy sources, time-shifts, wormholes and vengeful/altruistic gods).<br /><br />This dichotomy is there from the first scenes of <i>LOST</i> and runs right up through the fade-to-white finale of Season 5. Now THAT'S an impressive concept to sneak into a primetime network TV show.humanebeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15717844158635399246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-78085731576265731902009-07-11T12:00:18.195-04:002009-07-11T12:00:18.195-04:00Its fun to rewatch these episodes with the five se...Its fun to rewatch these episodes with the five season context of "Lost" under our belts. We seem to get answers that bring us even more questions.<br /><br />We now see that Jack's iconic "eye opening" in the bamboo grove is repeated with his Ajira Flight 316 experience (as well as some aspects of Ben and Locke's arrivals in Tunesia after turning the donkey wheel which may of maynot be seen as evidence of a wormhole or "stargate"). It calls into question his experience of the crash. Back in 2004 I thought the "whoosh" had maybe brought him back to life...but now, I don't think so.<br /><br />According to a "whispers transcript" the pilot was killed as part of a plan the whisperers mention. Also if Jacob had brought Oceanic Flight 815 to the Island (ala the "Black Rock" in "Incident") the pilot would have had to have been given coordinates and a course to even find the Island. Maybe the pilot switch was short notice like the 70 hour window Mrs. Hawking had for Ajira 315. <br /><br />We find out later that Oceanic Flight 815 departed Sydney around 2:15 PM and according to the pilot's "story" flew east for 6 hours and then reversed course for a least 2 (1000 miles off course) and yet crashes in daylight. This mirrors Ajira 315 which emerges from nighttime to daylight after a flash of white light. None of the 815 survivors seem to notice or mention this anomaly. <br /><br />As for "Cerberus" bringing down Flight 815 in later episodes it appears not to be able to hop the sonic fence and Charlie and Kate seem out of reach while high up in trees (although it seemed able to deposit the pilot in a tree). The smoke detector/Christian haunting scene at St. Sebastian Hospital...not sure if that was "smokie" or if that was off Island (whatever that may be).<br /><br />I found it interesting that when Jack was asked by the pilot how long it had been since the crash, without hesitation Jack answers 16 hours. He gave his watch to Hurley to time Clair's contractions and is not wearing a watch in the cockpit. We later see how good Jack is with time with Gabriella (4:30 AM??) in "Hunting Party".<br /><br />In retrospect the Charlie to Kate dialogue after Kate's banyon tree 5 countdown "We were dead...I was..And then Jack came back and he pulled me up" just seems like it might be about something other than just what transpired. Probably a reach...remember Desmond's comment to Jack at the stadium..."Lift it up"..."your ankle".<br /><br />When we see m.i.a. Vincent watching Kate, Charlie and Jack make their trek to the cockpit is that his leash hanging on the bush behind him. Later we see Walt, leash in hand, seaching for Vincent just off the beach when he discovers Kate's handcuffs. Can Vincent walk himself?<br /><br />Is the "juice" that some people get before coming to the Island in anyway related to "Locke's" whacky paste?<br /><br />Can anyone tell me what they hear after the camera does the 360 degree loop from front to the back of Jack when he emerges from the bamboo grove onto the beach? There are two screams and someone shouts something. I can't quite make it out. It sounds a little like "doctor come" or "doctor tom"??<br /><br />Another reach. Is "Drive Shaft's" song title "You All, Everybody" a sly homage to Heinlien's short story "All You Zombies"?variabullnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-68909330988312184922009-07-11T11:32:24.468-04:002009-07-11T11:32:24.468-04:00Hi! I've lurked for a couple months but this ...Hi! I've lurked for a couple months but this is my first post here. Hoping I can keep up with a rewatch.<br /><br />Re: Jack waking up in the jungle at the start. Some have suggested time travel of some sort. What if it's simply the island (Jacob?) transporting Jack off the plane into the jungle to ensure he will survive the plane crash. After seeing how several of them woke up similarly in the 70s when Ajira crashed, I'm not convinced Jack in the first episode needs to be anything more than the island moving Jack where it wants him to be.Matt Metlishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958642740609471152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-78951643357467149012009-07-11T09:27:15.262-04:002009-07-11T09:27:15.262-04:00I am new to LOST and watched 4 seasons in 2 months...I am new to LOST and watched 4 seasons in 2 months after visiting Hawaii. I teach literature for a living and will look through the lens of thatwith my comments--especially through Dante which I see permeates all levels of LOST.<br />Jack wakes up in the forest confused and alone just as Dante does in the Inferno. All the characters are spiritually "lost" IMO and "working out" their salvation, so to speak.Joe-Dantenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-70695145541796718962009-07-11T02:35:18.708-04:002009-07-11T02:35:18.708-04:00I just finishd episode 1, and the thing that reall...I just finishd episode 1, and the thing that really struck me was how much I disliked Shannon early on. It was quite irrational, really. I did get to like her more as she developed, but I really hated her from the get go. And I never really noticed that Locke didn't have a line! Apart from the 'Hey, get away from that still-running jet engi-... oh, never mind.' Hurray for the rewatch!Batcabbagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16609077644806458692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-58734596886401967282009-07-10T22:53:26.878-04:002009-07-10T22:53:26.878-04:00Yay, rewatch! Nikki, great notes. I hope I can ke...Yay, rewatch! Nikki, great notes. I hope I can keep up with all the comments on these eps! Anyhow, looks like everyone has pretty much covered my comments! <br /><br />@ the Kate coming out of the Jungle thing: I just assumed she landed on the beach (maybe close to the Jungle) and ran into it to remove what was left of her handcuffs before anyone noticed she was wearing them in the chaos. I don't think she unlocked both sides when the plane went down. Just the chain holding them together & to her seat. I could be wrong on this.<br /><br />@ at the Jack 'count to 5' story: This story now really annoys me. Perhaps, because I find Jack so annoying now. He obviously misconstrues the entire story to make it appear like he controlled his own fear & thought up the count to 5 idea and made himself do it. Now that we have seen Christian ordering him to count and he reluctantly obeying & then getting angry at his Father for helping him makes it all the more disingenuous to act like he is "the stuff" in this scene. I guess he has either glossed over the fact in his mind that it was really his Father compelling him to do this or he deliberately exaggerated just because he wanted to impress Kate. Either way, the little bit of positive heroic & admirable turn he took in the first part of the episode (i.e. first 10 minutes) in my mind totally disappeared & reminded me of why I don't like him yet again.<br /><br />Last thought, wow! Sawyer has really grown character-wise in the last couple of seasons!kirathenanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-80532926092745370862009-07-10T15:51:13.037-04:002009-07-10T15:51:13.037-04:00Ha, Nikki, that's one of my favourite quotes t...Ha, Nikki, that's one of my favourite quotes too - "That's fantastic. So anyway, how about you sew up this huge gash in my back?" Awesome.Ashlie Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04819825642101427700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-7261075086481691992009-07-10T00:55:07.774-04:002009-07-10T00:55:07.774-04:00Hi, all... I just wanted to say hello and that I r...Hi, all... I just wanted to say hello and that I regret I probably won't be able to participate early on. Happy Rewatch!Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-85876985485985156062009-07-09T23:24:10.063-04:002009-07-09T23:24:10.063-04:00I too thought Shannon improved over her season and...I too thought Shannon improved over her season and a half. Her flashback was so sad, and I was sorry for Sayid when she died.Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-8439937140572125582009-07-09T22:29:07.022-04:002009-07-09T22:29:07.022-04:00@Jazzygirl: Shannon, not so much. LOL
I just fi...@Jazzygirl: <i>Shannon, not so much. LOL</i> <br /><br />I just find this funny because I feel kind of the opposite. Watching the pilot I commented to my sister how much I missed Shannon and hated how they killed her off when she was really developing some real character.<br /><br />@Erin: I love the idea of Smokey killing the pilot as some sort of course correction. That kind of ties in nicely with my theory about Smokey possibly causing the crash. I HAVE to go ruminate on that more.Rebecca T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11994380364321336824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-53603478217970949402009-07-09T17:51:44.649-04:002009-07-09T17:51:44.649-04:00I'm so glad we're finally into this rewatc...I'm so glad we're finally into this rewatch! Here's a thing I wasn't going to bring up until episode 9, "Solitary", but since you already mentioned it, Nikki, I'll add my comment now.<br /><br />Way back in 2004, when season one was first on the air, I began to notice how often the phrase "the others" kept being repeated by seemingly everyone in the cast. In the Pilot, Part 1, only Jin says it, at about the 17-minute mark. But then later, in "Tabula Rasa", Boone and Kate each say it, and Sayid says it twice. In "Walkabout", we hear Jack say it. In "White Rabbit", Sun, Charlie and Jack each say it, and Locke says it twice. Up to this point, these were always references to members of their own group of Lostaways. Then finally in "Solitary", Danielle says it 3 times, with the third time being loaded with weighty significance and capital letters: "The Others".<br /><br />I think the writers were very clever to gradually get us used to the idea of other people besides the 815ers being on the Island. Just hearing that phrase over and over got us ready for the big reveal of "The Others". Over 5 seasons, the writers have gradually introduced many different story elements. Time travel, anyone?<br /><br />Sorry to run ahead to episode 9 like that, but this thing with the others got started in the opening segment of the Pilot, Part 1. I think that's really cool!Marebabe1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-58606218843991485062009-07-09T17:42:24.198-04:002009-07-09T17:42:24.198-04:00This is only a test.This is only a test.Marebabe1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-48107616969394758732009-07-09T17:24:25.264-04:002009-07-09T17:24:25.264-04:00My thoughts:
Whooo! Here we go, starting at the b...My thoughts:<br /><br />Whooo! Here we go, starting at the beginning once again (third time for me, I think) but finally this is it... we're starting at episode 1 and going right on through to the finale! It's so exciting to know we won't be stopping until The End.<br /><br />Watching the pilot, it seemed to me like it was "Lost: The Movie". Many of the elements that will go on to make the show so great are already present, specifically the great writing is there at the beginning, and unlike other shows of this nature, momentum is built right from the beginning, and I was on the edge of my seat (again) by the end of the episode. Also, the characters don't know each other, and it's fun to see them meet.<br /><br />It's also great to go back to the beginning, because when think about things like Walt's mom dying or Ana Lucia hanging out with Christian as we're watching later seasons, they are things that happened some time ago. But as we watch the pilot, we can think, "Oh my God, Walt's mom JUST died. Ana Lucia and Jack JUST talked at the airport." And so much else JUST happened that we didn't know about here as first time viewers. Not to mention, we now know what the Others are up to at this time. And the Tailies. So watching the first episode is much more interesting knowing all that has been and is going on that the episode isn't showing us.<br /><br />So much fun to begin again and watch witn a new perspective!J.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02055347345434106368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-1757456942694222932009-07-09T16:54:36.668-04:002009-07-09T16:54:36.668-04:00One thing I forgot was as Jack was recounting his ...One thing I forgot was as Jack was recounting his version of counting to 5, you can clearly see his tattoo that has a number 5 on it. I know Nikki has mentioned in her book the translations of the tattoos from his flashback in Thailand...I can't remember right now. But I notice it the first time that the 5 is right there.<br />And to answer the thing about Kate...well, yes...LOL...she could have zapped into the jungle from somewhere else too. I think I'm totally off the mark with my theory because I do agree, he "acts" so normal around everyone. I'm just trying to make this mathematical equation add up! Good luck, right? Aren't we all! LOL <br />And don't forget that Kate took the handcuffs off before the plane crashed so she wasn't wearing them when it went down. I think it's just a plot thing that Walt finds them inland.Jazzygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451286913250300082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-13987411579136022062009-07-09T16:39:09.267-04:002009-07-09T16:39:09.267-04:00Hey y'all, I have the next two posts written a...Hey y'all, I have the next two posts written and had them post-dated to appear tomorrow morning, but I've changed the time so they'll go live tonight instead. I'm just having too much fun discussing these to wait!! :)Nikki Staffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-73347004948358854142009-07-09T16:38:27.707-04:002009-07-09T16:38:27.707-04:00Erin: interesting! So you would agree with the the...Erin: interesting! So you would agree with the theory that Smokey's job is course correction? He wasn't SUPPOSED to be the pilot, so Smokey is helping course correct to change things to eventually make Lapidus the proper pilot. I like it!<br /><br />Ali Bags: OOH!! I never THOUGHT of that. And you know, as I was saying... or started to say, and then got distracted by something shiny... they hadn't conceived of many of these things yet BUT they can shape earlier episodes, use them in the later ones and make it look like they'd figured that all along. So early on they create a creepy dog. Then later he becomes connected to Christian. And now, as you suggest, the dog could BE Jacob. I LOVE that theory!<br /><br />Notice the painting in Jacob's cabin of the golden dog??Nikki Staffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542493291509778907.post-15347893355660678572009-07-09T16:33:08.273-04:002009-07-09T16:33:08.273-04:00To all who mentioned Vincent - before I read all t...To all who mentioned Vincent - before I read all these comments I was convinced Vincent is Jacob after rewatchingthe pilot(mainly because of the scene when he watches Charlie, Kate and Jack on their treck - any normal dog would have run up to them) He looks a bit like jacob, doesn't he? However, I forgot about the mobisode and the fact that the writers probably hadn't yet concieved of Jacob. <br /><br />Remember when he tried to pull the blanket off not-dead Nikki and Paolo? He is no ordinary dog.Ali Bagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826228234954697951noreply@blogger.com